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ted patlen

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  1. i have recieved all the beauties last week, very happy to be invited. sorry i couldn't reply sooner but it seems everytime i try to use this i keep getting refused and have to change the blasted code name :wallbash:over and over... ted
  2. thanks for the nice comments, glad you like them, looking forward to see all the flies at home.
  3. hey, it finally worked! i tried a few ties to try to get on but had trouble. very happy to be part of this. paul, i sent the flies about a week or 2 ago, get em yet? ted
  4. bob covers most of the stuff...i'd like to add a little all tyers from years past did the same thing that we are doing now...looking for the best quality materials available...truest colors, cleanest etc. some feathers you see will be great for certain applications...and useless for others...case in point, long fibered turkey tail feathers are great for long shanked streamers and salmon flies but almost useless for smaller, wets...the tips of the fibers are much finer than required for trout wet patterns (montreal, etc.)so they don't tie in properly..thus the reason for turkey wing quills, goose, duck or other fuller fibered feathers streamer necks...many of the great streamer tyers, (oatman, jennings, etc) used chinese necks, indian necks and strung saddles for their patterns because those were the best available...the genetic marvels for dry flies are USUALLY no good for streamers all feathers are useful but not for all applications so purchase appropriately.
  5. it sounds like a thread tension problem...an ..old saying...one good wrap is better than whatever enough tension should keep them from slipping...try only one wrap of thread per fiber both with the same is better...that is place the near side horn on first then with the same wrap place the far side...give it one or two additonal firm wraps then adjust the angle...now do the whip finish over those wraps horns can shift because they are tied in by the smallest of sections, as for the splaying...that is normally caused by a bump behind the tie in point.. possibly to many wraps of thread on the previous operation...in this case the crest,...what size thread do you use? sometimes the really fine stuff is misused... minor splaying can also be caused by using a right horn on the left side etc...or upside down easy to do this because your using onlt 1 fiber
  6. fine with me...meet me at the pequest ....2:45...wear your waders or next time were wrapping dead chichens onto a hook :yahoo:
  7. taking a better look at the scan...from a MUCH better computer... i can see a wide head...can tell for sure but it looks like a reversed wing ...which would set the wing at that angle. ..dave? ps any chance bringing it to newark? yo
  8. [i]how old?[/i] :hyst: congrats...you can buy ME a coffee next time you see me...dark, no sugar
  9. the jock scott is a built wing with lots of stuff on it...every tyer has a different eye so where the sword is tied in and how much is seen is your discretion...but most fo the antiques that i've seen have the sword tied in along with the white tippped turkey underwing with just a portion of it showing from under the outer sheaths don't be afraid to show more or tie in somewhere else
  10. JAMES IT SAYS ... BITS OF FEATHERS MISSING FROM THE TIPS... IT SURE LOOKS LIKE FLORICAN TO ME AND FOR A GREAT PRICE YOU MAY BE ABLE TO USE SOME OR A LOT OF IT... THERE WAS A LOT OF FLORICAN/TURKEY/PEACOCK WHATEVER WITH RAZORED OR TRIMMED EDGES USED BY THAT INDUSTRY THAT WAS ACCEPTED PRACTICE FOR HATS AND ASSESSORIES TO MAKE THEM "BALANCED" GOOD LUCK (AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SCARE YOU OFF SO I CAN GET IT)
  11. scott, try this different method also for practice...take an extra hook start the thread anywhere on the shank then tie in the ostrich by it's butt..take a few turns...you'll notice that the flues all point in one direction. (a smooth thread base is essential) un wrap then wrap in the reverse direction and the flues point in a different direction..unwrap cpmpletely then "flip" the herl over and tie in again so the side that was against the hook's shank now faces upwards...repeat the process... then unwrap and repeat the process again but tie in by the tip of the herl...a nice taper is possible when tying in by the tip , however the butt is not as strong as you'd get by tying in by the butt
  12. another great thread... fav...torrish...love that yellow through red spectrum least any of those 1860 woolly buggers spey flies
  13. i can feel the love emitting from the bayou way up here in the cold, cold northeast by the way bud, all those long fibered bucktails you get can be mailed to my house...the stripers just love the taste of southern whitetail and if you just happen to find any wood duck flank around i'll take that miserable stuff off your hands too
  14. cool find...they look like a blue dun and a cahill but that would be tooo easy how's the weather in milwaukee? yo
  15. some guys like to tie the ostrich herls from the back of the head towards the front..stopping 1/2 way...most hearl head and wool type are tied on the back 1/2 of the head i like to start in the middle and wind back towards the rear of the head...prvents the herl from sliding down the "slope" i've seem the flues pointing rearwards and forwards and almost perpendicular to the shank way back when ...then applied the varnish then put the herl on...whatever floats your boat try to select very fine fibered herl, ostrich or peacock...i like to use those long stringy strands of peacock sword found on the sidetails instead of herl...i've found ostrich from a feathered dusting wand with much denser and shorter flues than the long sticks that are normally used wool...try using rabbit fur softerdubbs tighter neater
  16. Another great thread... When we tie a fly from a recipe or a fly, antique or modern, we are recreating someone else's interpretation that is the ONLY thing that we can say for certain......where THAT interpretation came from is anyone's guess... John's friend is entitled to his/her opinion just as anyone else however I don't agree with his arguementive process. Endured? Then don't listen. What error? In who's opinion? What is wrong? Lose sight! If anything todays tyers are re-creating their past with whatever means they have. Is reading (reasearch) losing sight? Right and proper? I understand that John's friend wants to make a point BUT I TAKE GREAT EXCEPTION to his/her OPINION that todays tyers are DISHONORING anything. Isn't this what todays tyers are doing? Where would we be without this passion...I recant GREAT THREAD!
  17. yo, very purty.. see what happens when you go manchester... AND where did you get that vise!!!!!!!! purty too
  18. yo, i think yo brought a tear to jim otto's eye... very nice fly yo
  19. pryce-tannatt refers to the tail length as..."exercising you judgment as to what you consider to be the proper length for the tail.' while describing strip tails for simple strip wing flies.. a little later he goes on to say (In strip wings generally the wings should not project much beyond the hook-...) on page 142 refering to fig 58..."Toppings with very pronounced curves are not, in my opinion the most suitable for tails..." he doesn't go to any deeper details...and after looking at his flies he shows quite of range in tail legnths and wing lengths...but his wing hieght's are all pretty similar...low, swept back, tyed for fishing... when discussing style he emphasizes that the same pattern dressed for different applications will look entirely different... just some more fuel for the discussion
  20. you mean this guy? damian you won!...your prize is the next 9/0 fully dressed Jock Scott Carne ties...(although you'd have to wait a very long time for it) :bugeyes:
  21. finally got around to it... from the british fly fair 07...2 scots, a brit and a yank... i can easily name them but the fun is for those who don't know the faces.. so
  22. rocky ...sorry on my second look i see that the tail is very long and arching very high for that particular hook in a "traditonal" sense finding a pleasing wing hieght and length is your chore...and if you can't find something for it right now ...table it ...sooner or later something will pop into you mindB)
  23. rocky, amherst tippets have dark greenish glack markings... the overall color scheme of the body has a warm palette ...any browns would blend as would, natural golds, or from macaws you have a very prominent tail make sure you have materials that are long and high enough... having fun yet?
  24. depending upon the style of fly...big MOM flies ...some of the wings were almost 90 degrees to the shank so don't worry too much there the wings on smaller trout wets shouldn't be too difficult if you do not over dress them...if you're looking for a heavier throat then try soft hen hackles to give that bulky effect without mass...or make one turn LESS of chenille pushing that fulcrum back a bit false style hackles work well also
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