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Mark Knapp

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  1. Yeah, that's exactly what I am saying. Bravo. you want to be a moderator? It's easy. (Just kidding of course, not my call)
  2. You see, that's where the problem is. Sometimes they are well meaning and sometimes they are not. If you write a well meaning comment, make sure it can only be read as well meaning. It's very easy to do. I'm not talking here of you personally, you have always come off as a well meaning person. I could have used the word "One" instead of "You" but it makes it sound like I'm a robot. I AM NOT A ROBOT, A ROBOT, A ROBOT.
  3. I am sorry to tell you Barry that I have been given the highly exalted role of MODERATOR, lucky me. It was posted in three different places on this forum.
  4. That's exactly what I did. Only the location was different. I'm pretty sure no one would have seen what I wrote if I had put it in the "Forum Rules"
  5. Its very easy to add just one or two words like these. Nice.
  6. I personally don't want what I say to be misconstrued, and if it is, it's my fault for saying something that can be misconstrued. It's the sign of a skilled speaker to say what he means to say. It's the sign of a poor speaker to let what they say be mistaken. Lots of critique is given as veiled insults in the pretense to "help" somebody. We can all word any comment in a way that it could not be taken the wrong way (usually just by adding a word or two).
  7. In my opinion, it shouldn't be written if it can be taken as an insult or a joke, it should be written so it can only be taken as a joke. If it's meant as an insult it will need to be handled in another way. Any joke made in criticism is most likely to be taken as an insult unless it's made clear that it was meant as a joke.
  8. You and I Mr. deck have had many discussions and we have often differed in our opinions. I have never felt like you (in this post or any other) have treated me or any one else poorly. Not so with some other people. I have not said anything to limit discussion on the forum, I have tried to limit nasty and insulting discussion on the forum. I feel like we are all intelligent people and everyone here knows the difference between polite conversation and rude conversation. It's just as easy to say what you want to say nicely as it is to say it impolitely. I'm not sure why some people (not you) feel like it's more important for them to make their point quickly and curtly than it is to take care not to hurt someones feelings or insult them. Someone not so long ago once told another person on here that their flies looked like crap, a young person at that, and they did not do it jokingly. I'm not sure why it's hard to believe that someone would leave this site because they didn't like the way others were treated here. There are others here that feel the same way, they have not left (yet) but they have cut back (they say) for that reason. The one I talked to personally would not have been critiqued, he is very highly thought of here. It is not the fault of the listener if they take something the wrong way, it's the responsibility of the speaker to say things in a way that cannot be mistaken (within reason). Especially on the internet, in written word where inflection and tone of voice cannot be heard. It's the sign of a skilled speaker to be able to say something and have people that don't know him understand him correctly (again, not you, you do it very well). I have not implemented any new rules, the title is "Guidelines for critique", I used the word "Please" and I asked very nicely. I wrote it so people can be aware that other people have gotten their feelings hurt, some have left and others may not be posting or becoming members because of it. A car horn can be blown with a polite, little "beep, beep" to mean "excuse me, the light is green and it appears you haven't noticed" or it can be blown like "BEEEEEEEEEEEEP" to mean "Get out blank out of the way you bleeping, stupid bleeping son of a bleep" I agree with you on the PM function, if something is good enough to say to one person, it's good enough to say to everyone, out in the open. No body else learns from a PM. When I write I try very hard not to insult or embarrass other people because it doesn't help them or anybody else. It just causes hard feeling and lowered contributions to the forum. I'm am secure enough in the things that I do that I don't need to tear someone else down to make my point.
  9. One of the reasons why the fly tying/fishing community might be seen as arrogant and elitist may be the way we criticize others. There's a nice way and not-so nice way to say anything. I'm not saying don't critique, I'm just saying if you are going to critique, do it nicely, do it to help someone else and not for self-aggrandizement. Who's going to argue about being nice?
  10. No one got to me. These are accepted practices taught in art schools all over the US. I personally haven't felt harshly critiqued but I have been paying attention and I have been asked to write something up.
  11. I really don't want to give names but I can tell you that at least one highly respected, very skilled, avid contributor recently left for that reason. He did not leave because he personally was being treated poorly, he left partly because people were being criticized harshly at times. It's not a new problem, or a serious one but it has been brought up more than once after a particularly rude or harsh comment. People have been, for a long time, wondering why we don't have more new tiers and lady tiers contributing, some of us think that harsh critique may be a reason. There's always more than one way to say something. Many of us think we will encourage more people to contribute if we choose the kinder approach rather than the short, curt one. There's no reason why anyone should need a "thick skin" to participate here. IMHO. Judging by the responses to this thread so far, at least half of us think it's a good thing to do.
  12. Point well taken. I think that any critique can be given in a respectful, well-meaning way, and if given in that way should be taken that way. In those cases, the moderators will be watching and they will be handled on a case by case basis. I will ad an addendum that will hopefully answer your concerns.
  13. I did notice that. You'll have to watch him closely to make sure there are no mysterious midnight groomings perpetrated by nefarious neighboring forum members.
  14. Sometimes people want to post something without necessarily being critiqued and it has made some people reluctant to post. Others feel like it's open season for criticism if it's posted on the forum. To help clear things up a little, here are some guidelines for critique on this forum. Do not critique unless critique is asked for. If you believe you could help someone do better, but they haven't asked for critique, simply ask them if they are open to critique. Only constructive criticism is acceptable. Constructive critique is done to help someone improve, not to show how much you know. If you are not able to help someone do better, it's better not to say anything. For example, instead of saying something like "The proportions are all wrong" say " Traditionally on that fly the tail is about one hook shank in length and the hackle is...." The former is not going to help anyone do better. In some cases, critique may not be asked for but it really may be necessary. In cases of proper fish handling, general safety precautions, and matters of ethics and legality, critique may not be welcomed but in the interest of a better community and community image it may be necessary.
  15. It can be a big problem to pack them out if you let it. I guided for moose most of my adult life and have packed them a long way. In many parts of Alaska you can't bone them out so 600 pounds of stuff to pack out makes it a chore. I know better now. Now I shoot young, tasty ones right on the river bank where I can pull my raft right up to it.
  16. Nope, still not very much between Tok and Delta. You can go to Mukluk land when you get to Tok. That right there makes the whole trip worth it.😁
  17. We'll have to come up with a more easily obtainable substitute, maybe polar bear.😁
  18. Not a problem, none of our hunting seasons are in the spring (except bears). I haven't heard of spring moose seasons in Canada either. I wonder who's shooting moose in the spring.
  19. Oliver is a cutie, and the flies look great. I know I'll catch fish with the ones you sent me.
  20. Just the mere mention of a trip to the arctic settles him down. No way he's coming here.
  21. I know how to handle Mike, all I have to do is invite him to come to the arctic to fish and he's quiet for a while. I got his number.
  22. I don't even want to talk about diets. They just make me mad, but the doctor says I'll live longer if I do it. Stupid doctors, what do they know anyway.
  23. Wait, I already had some pretty big pants on. You want me to put on bigger pants?
  24. It's very good but if you're not careful you can get a tough one. I like to shoot the two year olds, for that reason.
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