TheDempsey

I bought one with the long and replaced it with the short for my primary pedestal vice. I have also replaced the stem on my travel vise to short with a c-clamp. Both are revolutions. I angle mine at about 10-20 degrees. I tie on both tables and from a workstation in my lap.

I have used these from Amazon https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FY7OEHO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 They work well and customers keep them in their tackle boxes. I fit 24 flies sizes 12 and smaller in them.