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I have The Master Fly Weaver (copy 1413 of 1950) and Montana Trout Flies (copy 461 of 1950), both by George F. Grant.

Both books are excellent for woven flies.

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Makes it lots easier after you fasten the tail and your top and bottom mat’l whip finish and get the thread/ bobbin outa the way to make the weaves.  If you have to stop to add hackle, legs pinch the weave and restart your thread and cinch down. Whip and go again.  Wires is easy; it stays where bent.   Never had a book took the Hellgrammite fly apart to figure it out when I was 14.  
Detached body.  Wow that looks like a trick 👍
 

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I use the shuttle weave. In the shuttle weave, the threads interlock as they cross, and there is no need to tie a knot for every thread crossing. So it is much faster. It is also easier especially as the flies get smaller.

The shuttle weave using bobbins can be seen in the video by Aaron Jasper. One key is to keep tension on the floss, and to pull away from you toward the woven areas so the next weave is tight against the previous. 

I use regular 6 strand embroidery floss I buy at Joannes or Michaels craft store. At about 3/$1 it is cheaper than fly tying floss. Unravel the floss into 2 or 3 strands depending on fly size and wind onto plastic sewing machine spools. Buy spools with [i[rounded[/i] side edges sos they dons bite into your fingers as you apply tension,You will thank me later.

Wind the floss onto the spools by using a portable drill. Place the eraser end of a  sharpened pencil into the drill chuck. Force fit the plastic bobbin into the tapered end of the pencil end and wind away.

I use Matarelli mini bobbins made for sewing machine spools. 

Here's Aaron Jasper performing the shuttle weave. Since there are no knots in the shuttle weave, you can easily tell if a woven fly is tied using the overhand weave or the shuttle weave. The shuttle weave has a smoother body.

 

 

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Justin Bruce's facebook video is more extensive and much easier to follow, at least for me, than the youtube one you've referenced.  The Beatty's book on weaving attempts to cover this weave but starts it wrong so ignore their description.

https://www.facebook.com/ProjectHealingWatersJohnsonCityTn/videos/justin-bruce-demonstrates-his-signature-houdini-weave-fly-patten-/428242751522844

 

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the one i linked used to be very clear and not all fuzzy. dont know what happened to the quality

 

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On 3/18/2023 at 9:19 PM, SilverCreek said:

I have The Master Fly Weaver (copy 1413 of 1950) and Montana Trout Flies (copy 461 of 1950), both by George F. Grant.

Both books are excellent for woven flies.

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The Master Fly Weaver shows how to do Dan Bailey's Mossback Weave. It's not terribly difficult with soft materials or wire.  But Bailey did it with "springy" monofilament which is difficult to hold tension when doing the hand switching required.  I bought one of his Mossback nymph pattern back in the late 80s at the Bailey shop when he had an armada of ladies tying flies there.  Wish I had asked then if any of them could demo the fly for me.  Alas, nevermore.

if anyone ties this weave with monofilament, please do and post a video.   You'd be recovering a lost art.

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