Mustad Signature hooks

[JSzymczyk 0]

 

It's never going to end, is it?

 

The last couple of boxes of Signature hooks I bought were made in Singapore. It isn't Norway, or the USA, but at least it wasn't china.

[Fly Tyer Guy 0]

I know what you mean, some of them are still made in Norway, I do believe that some of them are made in china I'll have to check my packages.

 

 

Edit: I just checked, and 11 out of my 29 packages were made in china, all of the others were made in either Norway or Singapore.

[RoyalWulff 0]

whats the difference if they both use the same materials and equipment. Other then the fact of wanting to support a specific economy, ie. your own, why does it matter, if you are only after the hook. Im afraid an anti China attitude can almost appear as a negitive comment about Chinese people. I am not pointing fingers.

[Fly Tyer Guy 0]

This could become very bad discussion,, there are many people who would have many things to say that would lead this in the wrong direction, so lets just leave it at this, this forum(And rightly so) forbids politics and the like and this would fit in there somewhere, so we should stop before this becomes something we don't want. Please!

[flyline64 0]

Sorry, but I don't think it is political or offensive for a customer to be concerned about the quality control of products made in a developing country--including China.

 

If you don't think quality control in China is a legitimate concern, ask the parents of 50,000 children who got sick from bad infant formula there in the last few weeks. The head of national quality control was forced to resign.

 

Do Norwegian (or American or German) companies sometimes have similar problems? Of course, but not as often. That is simply a historical and economic fact of development and industrialization. Japan once made cheap toys and radios. Now they make some of the highest quality and most technologically advanced products in the world.

 

As for hooks, I'll stick to Tiemco--made in Japan. I hope that isn't considered political or offensive.

[JSzymczyk 0]

I'm just tired of seeing "made in china" on EVERYTHING. I have absolutely nothing against the average everyday Chinese person, just as they probably have nothing against me.

 

Now, CANADIANS on the other hand.... just kidding.

[RoyalWulff 0]

I agree, quality control is important, but maybe this shouldn't be discussed here in this manner. Sorry guys

 

All Countries and people deserve respect, even bait fishermen

 

 

 

 

 

[flyline64 0]

Sorry Royal Wulff, this is the fly tying board, not the "we are so politically correct, we're afraid to discuss a foreign country for fear we might offend someone board."

 

If you think something specific in any post here is offensive or off-topic, by all means alert the moderator. If not, please don't tell others what fly tying subjects we should discuss--personally I find that very offensive.

[RoyalWulff 0]

Hey JS

 

They are worst then the rest of em,

[Guest]

Come on guys, how did this post turn to politics? In the end, Mustad went to the cheapest route the could for hooks(china in this case) and whenever you try to save a buck people get concerned about the quality suffering.

 

I think some people jumped the gun on this one and took the original post way out of context.

[Fred H. 0]

I more times than not order out of catalogs. When I can make it to a city that has an actual fly shop I examine the hooks I purchase. By profile, thickness of the wire and etc. where the hook was made and what name brand never figure into the equation. neither does price if I can get what I was looking for. I try not to get caught up in brand loyalty and try to judge each product on how well it works for me.I like some of the Mustad signiture hooks and will use them for years to come and have yet to notice any change from lot to lot.

[RoyalWulff 0]

Mustad has gone the cheapest route for them. The bottom line is the biggest motivator. But I am unsure how their hooks had been compromised.

 

If the material the hook is made out of and the equipment that makes the hooks is the same in place "a" and in place "b" then the hooks shouldn't be very different if at all.

 

Maybe there is another factor at play, but I don't see it.

[flyline64 0]

First, those are big "IFs". They won't be using the "same" steel, since it will presumably be made in China (hard to imagine they will make the steel in Norway and ship it to China). Will it be up to the same standard as before? Similarly, I don't assume they are shipping all the equipment to China either.

 

Finally, the "other factor" is the one I mentioned before--quality control. Even if the product is the same, if there are more mistakes in manufacturing and/or mistakes that aren't weeded out and corrected, the consistency will suffer.

 

I've previously found Mustad's quality control slightly lower than the premium brands like Tiemco. I've gotten packs of Mustad hooks with one or two without an eye. Never had that happen with Tiemco or Dai Ichi. Will the frequency of that kind of problem increase? We'll see.

[RoyalWulff 0]

Thats true,

 

I have had two cases with mustad. One had a hook with a flattened eye, the other had an open eye. I haven't experienced that before with daiichi or tiemco. Although there is a price difference aswell. As for the signature hooks I have never experienced that sort of thing. I would rank them up with tiemco and daiichi. I do find that mustads fish quite fine. I rarely use a hook/fly multiple times, although I do find the other hooks remain sharper longer.