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Thanks PK nd OH. The bucktail I'm using is more than 12 year old and has been moved around a lot but never really used. I think a stop by the supply store to look a fresh bucktail over is a good call. Well, now I have a prototype, and a road trip planned to get some materials. WooHoo! time to tie one on so to speak. Where I'm going to get a new bucktail happens to have a couple of nice rivers nearby... Hmmmmmm :yahoo:

 

OH, I was looking over your post and noticed your Avatar has an OSU beaver. We'll be seeing your basketball team here in November. Go Dogs!

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Some very nice ties shown already!

 

I have been patiently waiting the arrival of my Hatches Magazine, but it's time I get tying these flies. I can see from the online version of Hatches that the Royal Coachman (Steelhead/Salmon Wet) uses a Mustad hook (36890?), but I can't make out the model number. Would someone with the new Hatches mind checking?

 

Thanks

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Hi dart;

The royal coachman wets are coming along well. the bodies and tails are looking better since i watched don bastion's classic wet flies DVD. the beard and wings are still bugging me. i just ordered some new mallard wing feathers .

 

Hey JJG, I just got my shipment of duck quill in for the dries and ordered about twice what was needed because a lot of the guys on the classic site said it was recommended. They weren't lying, about 40% was junk. It's been a good learning process though, I have been trying my hand at washing, steaming, and ironing to recoup some of the feathers. All new to me. Well back to practicing those uprights.

 

 

The fly shop that is looking for the white mallard feathers are striking out so far but it is amazing how much junk actually goes out to the shops. i guess that we buy it so who cares type of attitude exists. Here's hoping things change. :cheers: but i wont hold my breath .......

 

 

stilll looking. Say does anyone know if the original coachman had white wings or was the leadwing coachman first?

 

 

Jon

 

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JP:

First, I'm no expert so if I'm wrong... someone tell me to shut up. Basically, I'm just looking at your fly as if it were one of mine and comparing it next to John's example in Hatches. These are things that I think I see that I would work on. Feel free to critique my critique ;)

 

The peacock looks great. It looks like you tied the strands of herl in one at a time and they look nice and fluffy. The tail seems to be the proper length with the first black bar hitting the back of the bend.

 

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The first thing that stands out to me if you're tying a display fly is the floss. If you look at (A) in the attachment, there is a slight bump in the floss about 3 thread wraps up from the edge of the peacock. This was something I struggled with for a while... and still do to some extent. One of the things that helped me is to tie the tip of the floss in as close to the butt as possible - and tie it in tightly. It takes some practice, but if you tie the peacock off with a single thread wrap, then slide the floss under that same thread wrap, it will reduce bulk at (A).

 

It also looks like you may be using more than one strand of floss as evidenced by (B). If you use a single strand of Danville Rayon (if that's what you're using) you will find it's easier to wrap the floss smoothly. It will also help reduce your bulk at (A).

 

As far as C and D, those are the areas I would try to hit with the throat and the wing. I'm not 100% sure on those guidelines, but that seems to be the proportions John set forth in his example.

 

My guess on the bucktail is that it's just old and dried out. Some fresh hair should definitely help with that. You can also use a pair of tweezers to yank the short ones after you get them tied in.

 

I hope this helps... so far it's looking great! Thanks for working so hard to make these flies nice.

 

Houndog:

You are correct on the model number: Mustad 36890.

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Dart,

Thank you for the input. Wow, I really appreciate the time you and the others put into looking and commenting. Outlining the photo and lettering the trouble areas is great, and will make an excellent guide. That bucktail is pretty old, so I'll be getting a new one and will definitely implement your and OH's recommendations.

 

Feel free to critique my critique ;)
An excellent critique, one of the best. :thumbup:

 

I ordered my issue of Hatches late and haven't received it yet so I'm tying from examples pulled off the net. Also, never having tied bucktail streamers before (hence a 12 year old bucktail) I have no practical experience. That is one of the reasons I joined this swap and picked the fly I did, to learn something new and get some of that experience.

 

The whole Royal series of flies will be awesome to have. I'm truly getting into this swap. JP

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I'm pulling out the vise now and going to tie my first Wulff in a while. I'm trying to decide if I want to tie the wing with calf body hair or tail.

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Guys, first let me say I'm flattered as heck that you would consider my Hatches article worthy of a swap theme. If I weren't so old and crusty, I'd blush.

 

That said, please don't consider the patterns I tied and photographed for the article as "the" way the flies should be tied. While I did a sizable amount of research to make sure the patterns were as close to "original" as possible, my tying of them was based on my personal preferences for proportion and "flow." Your mileage could -- and probably should -- vary.

 

Bottom line: Don't feel undue pressure to tie the "perfect" Royal Whatever. Swaps are supposed to be fun! Have fun with this one!

 

All the best,

John McCoy

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John, being humble isn't welcome here. Move along, move along!

 

Having said that... I've been in a couple of swaps and it was more stress than fun for me. I'm competitive and I push myself to be the best harder than I should. I don't always succeed, but I try. John's right... that's not what these swaps are about. I don't want anyone to stress one iota over this. No matter how well you think you've tied your fly, the point is that you've hopefully learned something and had fun while doing it.

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Guys, I'm going to be touch and go here until about next Wednesday. I'm going on a much needed trip to see family as it's been far too long since I've seen them. I'm flying out in the morning and will be back "late:30" Tuesday night. I'll try to check in a few times... I hope everyone who's started on the swap flies is having a blast so far!

 

Jeff

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Dart, enjoy the trip.
I want to thank you again for the input. I also found a flossing tutorial on the Classic and Artistic Salmon Fly Tying forum that had a ton of information. Tying these flies is a real kick.

Has the due date been settled for sometime in January?

P.S. There's no stress here other than what I would normally put on myself. I'm just stoked that I got some killer info and the flies are starting to show it. It will translate to all kinds of flies I tie for fishing.


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Yeah, we need to nail down a date, but I'm thinking early-min January. Let's just go ahead and say Jan 10 if that's okay with everyone.

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???? Royal Humpy not part of the family.????

 

Good call ibrb. Not in the magazine though. :dunno:

 

OK guys, I will confess, I am a bit nervous about this swap. I am tying the Quill Wing Dry. I don't have much experience with quill wings, but was going to dedicate this winter to learning and practicing them, so I saw this as a good opportunity to get started. I am confident that I can get a grasp on them, but my nervousness comes from the fact that many have stated that they are going to display their collection from this swap. I feel a little under qualified for this task, but will do my best. So I apologize ahead of time. I have just started tying them in a #12. I ordered white quill and about 70% of it was :poop: . I learned to wash, steam, and iron it and recovered a majority of it. It was a good learning process. I have tied up a few "unqualifying" flies so far that I'm sure the fish will like but not what I want to send along. Here is where I am at currently after a few tries. Any constructive criticism would be greatly appreciated. The areas I'm working on mostly now are not crowding the forward peacock and the hackle, and my wings are still coming out a bit tall I think.

 

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Old Hat

 

Please don't worry about the supposed quality of your work. I am sure that the ties you send will be wonderful. I actually think it is really neat that you picked a fly that would force you into a new technique or material. There are a number of people in this swap who are using this as an opportunity to broaden their skills. I on the other hand took the cowards way out and tied a group of flies I tie to fish on a regular basis. I think anyone in the swap who is planning on displaying the flies is probably more interested in the grouping than in the individual comparison of techniques and tiers, at least that is how I feel. Looking forward to seeing ALL the flies.

 

C

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