The Royal Family Swap

[purolohi kalastaja 0]

I don't have the magazine but in the book I have with the coachman rangley streamers it had the throat coachman brown which I used I can tie them with black if you all want its up to you all the fishing is good here for certain fish and horrible for others pike and bass bite is on hardcore but no salmon yet except in the surf

 

I actually like the brown better (no offense, John). What book do you have, RRSS? (One cannot ever have too many books, IMHO.)

 

How about browns in the Rifle?

 

 

-PK

[Dart 0]

I thought there was a peacock section in front of the floss on the streamer also. But maybe I'm mistaken?

 

I've been looking for a classic Royal Humpy pattern, but I haven't found one. Does anyone know the history of this fly and how it's intended to be tied?

[Futzer 0]

Hi Dart, The Royal Humpy first appeared in Jack Dennis' Western Trout Fly Tying manual 1976, page 85, the fly was the brain child of guide Charles Ridenour, but first tied by Jack, after Charles' death. It combines the standard humpy pattern but with Calf body hair wings like a Wulff. While the first ones had only thread underbody, usually black. I have seen Royal humpies tied with red floss or green floss underbodies. The tail is moose, the over body is tan elk, white calf body wings and Royal Wulff colored hackle. That Hersey's choclate with tint of red that we talked about. I am sure you can get some pics from Google, or let me know as I own this book.

 

Cheers Futzer

[riffleriversteelheadslayer 0]

funny you asked PK I was thinking when I posted I wish I knew the name of the book so I could purchase the entire book I picked up what I got at a garage sale for a dime I have pages 19 through 138 as far as the browns in the rifle they are always on fire up by selkirk my buddy has been pitching mice like crazy in the evening with some monsters killing them

 

 

Dart here is a royal humpy I tied using costal deer hair I was doing them as a bonus for everyone

 

we fish them heavy on the Rifle late summer early fall for rainbows

 

[riffleriversteelheadslayer 0]

I checked out the hatches online what inside and there is only one peacock wrap at the tail as far as I can see

[Dart 0]

Thanks for the info, guys. Paul, thanks for tying a bonus for everyone... I'll have to think of something else to do then.

[cencalfly 0]

The Humpy looks good. :clapping:

 

Haven't got my copy of Hatches yet so I have some questions before finishing continuing. What would be the proper hook size. the one pictured below is on a TMC 300 size 4. Also, is the tail to sparse, long, short or... I think I got the floss and wing down but I'm still improving. It'll take practice. practice

 

Sorry for the questions. Whats available on the net is all over the map style-wise. Can't really get any detail from the Hatches photo on the net (all pixeled out). So there you have it. One more round of critiquing please.

 

 

This is some of the most fun tying I've had in a while. Not to say other flies weren't fun these just are really making me focus and I like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[purolohi kalastaja 0]

Ok, folks, here's the question.... Like the opthamologist says-- Which looks better, A, or B? A is tied with a true brown hackle, while B is tied with a reddish-brown hard to describe color. So, which do you prefer?

 

A?

 

Or

 

B?

 

 

Ignore the bumpy floss and the number of tippets in the tails. These are the first two I've tied up, mostly for getting the hang of it, but also to see what I thought of the two hackle colors.

 

-PK

[cencalfly 0]

They both look good but B has a much richer color. Looks better with the fly IMHO.

 

 

[purolohi kalastaja 0]

Haven't got my copy of Hatches yet so I have some questions before finishing continuing. What would be the proper hook size. the one pictured below is on a TMC 300 size 4. Also, is the tail to sparse, long, short or... I think I got the floss and wing down but I'm still improving. It'll take practice. practice

The article says a 4x long streamer hook, like a Mustad 79580, but it does not specify the size. If I recall correctly the Tiemco 300 is a 6x long hook....

 

The tail length looks appropriate for the hook gape, and it also looks full enough. The throat could be a bit more full, however, based upon the photo in the magazine.

 

Wing looks good! :headbang: Floss looks fine to my untrained floss eye...

 

 

-PK

[purolohi kalastaja 0]

BTW, mine are tied on size 14 Mustad 94840s. Are 14s what we agreed on for the dries?

 

-PK

[riffleriversteelheadslayer 0]

coachman brown is a rusty colored brown almost furnace in color and is considered by some as the correct color for the royals and personally its my favorite so PK my opinion is B

 

:headbang: now for a more pressing question when you coming up to get some trophy sized browns? :headbang:

[cencalfly 0]

Thanks PK, I really had no idea about the hook size or type. Yeah the TMC 300 is 6x. The 4x will be good. I was kinda of thinking the same thing about the throat too but not sure.

 

Yep size 12 or 14 for the Dries per post #35.

[purolohi kalastaja 0]

coachman brown is a rusty colored brown almost furnace in color and is considered by some as the correct color for the royals and personally its my favorite so PK my opinion is B

 

:headbang: now for a more pressing question when you coming up to get some trophy sized browns? :headbang:

 

This hackle isn't quite what I'd call furnace either. It's strange.... I got it out of Keough's dig-through box at the show in Macomb last year. I'll post a pic of the full hackle sometime today.

 

As far as getting up there, I'm tryin'.... Just hard to make the time right now. So you need to catch some for me and post some pictures.

 

-PK

[purolohi kalastaja 0]

This is the hackle used in B.

 

As you can see, the color is not quite furnace. Just an "off" dye job? Or some other color altogether?

 

I like using this hackle for my flies, though. Wish I'd found a second one when I got this one.

 

 

-PK