Guest Report post Posted April 1, 2009 Thanks for all the feedback, that is what I was hoping for. What about something like a "This is a great pattern" button? This way there is not rating system and the more more members that recommend a particular pattern the better it's internal score would be. As mentioned by somebody above, this would be all internal and the "score" would not be publicly visible. Like I said, I am just trying to find a way to make sure some of the great patterns don't get buried and forgotten. I'm doing that somewhat now by keeping track of how many times a particular pattern has been bookmarked but I would like to expand upon that somehow. deflyguy, I have done some more on member submitted classifications. Unfortunately, for whatever reason I have had a real problem with people not choosing the proper tags. For example, I have dry flies recommended as a streamer and that same dry fly being a recommended fly for sharks. I have ways of weeding that stuff out but it is a real chore keeping up with it all. In an ideal world this would be the best solution, just need to tweak how I collect/verify the data. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Futzer 0 Report post Posted April 1, 2009 Don't all good tyers recommend their patterns for "Sharks"? Cheers, Futzer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iso18 0 Report post Posted April 1, 2009 I have mixed feelings about a rating system simply because of the question as to what criteria will be followed to do the rating? Cleanly tied? Attractive to humans? Potentially attractive to fish? Artsy? Innovative? Etc., etc. What I actually wish for, if possible, is a way to distinguish between "prototypes" and those flies that have been proven effective on fish. I have seen a few flies that appear to be unfishable in a practical way in the manner intended (for example, a floater intended to be a bottom-hugging streamer) and thus I have the strong feeling a lot of the flies that are uploaded were never tested in water, let alone fished -- in my view these should be labeled as prototypes. Thus, if nothing else, I would like to see the database split between "prototypes" and "proven" flies. -- Mike well said :headbang: shane God bless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseshoes 0 Report post Posted April 1, 2009 We can rate for sharks? Wow. How do you tie a blood bucket? :hyst: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoyalWulff 0 Report post Posted April 1, 2009 Hey Will, What about having a rating system for the pattern but not the quality of fly. Its not a fashion show but a pattern system. If we look at it that way, then I think the rating system might be a good one. Like I think a royalwullf is a 5/5 but a mosquito a 3/5 Phil Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Valhalla 1 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 I voted against a rating system because it would be too subjective. To exaggerate a little, a fly that would be listed as a "top producer" in one region can be the same as tossing rocks in another. I don't see how you can do it effectively and accurately, and lastly, it would make it too easy to miss one of those gems that would be just what you want and need, except too many people gave it a low rating. I prefer to decide for myself; there are already too many people trying to do our thinking for us in life. I've spent a number of evenings just going through the database on random searches...as good as sitting down with a good book. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deeky 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 Rank according to what? How many fish it has caught? How pretty you think it is? How much you like or want to suck up to it's contributor? How much you want to make someone who made a mean comment about your own pattern pay? I think it is just too subjective to really be of any service and also be too subjective to help our tiers improve. We already have a great range of search options ranging from species to materials to tyer. I have never not been able to find what I need and have not found the results to be overwhelming. I voted no. deeky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smokinprice 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 Personally, I voted against it. I do not like how the pattern database is set up right now. I think it could be more user friendly. However, I dont think we should have a rating system as it would discourage new tiers and make others afraid to post their work. The purpose of this forum is to (a) have fun as this is a hobby and ( improve ones skills. I feel like if we start rating flies than we will be doing a lot of people a disservice. I can only tie maybe 12 patterns and I am self taught and I dont tie that often. I dont think I would be comfortable with adding stuff to the database to have it graded so to speak. Just my two cents I guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deflyguy 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 Thanks for all the feedback, that is what I was hoping for. What about something like a "This is a great pattern" button? This way there is not rating system and the more more members that recommend a particular pattern the better it's internal score would be. As mentioned by somebody above, this would be all internal and the "score" would not be publicly visible. Like I said, I am just trying to find a way to make sure some of the great patterns don't get buried and forgotten. I'm doing that somewhat now by keeping track of how many times a particular pattern has been bookmarked but I would like to expand upon that somehow. deflyguy, I have done some more on member submitted classifications. Unfortunately, for whatever reason I have had a real problem with people not choosing the proper tags. For example, I have dry flies recommended as a streamer and that same dry fly being a recommended fly for sharks. I have ways of weeding that stuff out but it is a real chore keeping up with it all. In an ideal world this would be the best solution, just need to tweak how I collect/verify the data. Will - Maybe just reducing the amount of options/tags available for selection would help make the housekeeping activities more reasonable. I imagine that some categories can either be merged or some can be removed if they are rarely used. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the saltydog 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2009 I like the aforementioned idea of a proven or prototype button and adding to that idea an standard or variation button or own proven design button. I'm against rating for quality, looks or etc.. as its too subjective. I would like to comment that a better browsing interface would be nice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tye2fly 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2009 it all depends if the rating is done on how well the fly fishes or how well it is tied, if it is a performance rating then i see no problem with it and in fact it would be a great idea to allow people to scan through the more productive flies. if it is a tied rating then i feel this forum would be better off not critisizing others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rich5665 0 Report post Posted April 8, 2009 Will, A rating system is a double edged sword, what one person might think is a great fly, some one else will see as crap. Then there is the problem of the person who just rates everything poor, for no reason other than to be an idiot. I like the fact that I can submit a fly on the forum and have it critiqued by the members. I feel that their feed back gives better insight into what I'm doing wrong. I do like searching the data base for flies that I would like to tie, I would love to be able to bookmark them, so I can come back at a later date open up the pattern and attempt to tie. Just my two cents. Keep up the good work. Rich5665 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Big E Report post Posted March 7, 2010 I'm not particularly fond of rating but I would like to know how many people looked at my fly. I like the fact that people bookmarked my fly, perhaps a count on how many bookmarks a fly has? Or how many comments it has... Just throwing ideas out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voodoo 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2010 i would like them to be rated on a catch rate. Skill and style are secondary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stippled Popper 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2010 While I see that at this point at least the polling is in favor of adding a rating system, the comments contain different ideas of what that rating system should be based on. Sometimes I'd find it useful to be able to look at a number of flies separated into different categories such as streamers, nymphs, top-water, classic salmon and wet flies for examples. If there already is such a thing here, I've missed it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites