smalliestalker 0 Report post Posted September 29, 2009 A new addition to the fly pattern database has been submitted by smalliestalker: Shad Clouser Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fred H. 0 Report post Posted September 29, 2009 You should take this guy down to the coast . I bet the stripers would love it. Fred Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airbornemike 0 Report post Posted October 10, 2009 very nice.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hairstacker 0 Report post Posted October 11, 2009 I love the colors and it looks like a fish-getter, but if you intended it to be a Clouser, the dumbbell eyes should be on the other side of the hook. -- Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smalliestalker 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2009 the eyes are on the top of the hook shank......white and orange deer hair is the bottom of the fly, unless I have been wrong for a long time and a lot of ties, it is the way to tie clousers...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hairstacker 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2009 the eyes are on the top of the hook shank......white and orange deer hair is the bottom of the fly, unless I have been wrong for a long time and a lot of ties, it is the way to tie clousers...... Am I seeing it wrong? It looks like the eyes are on the inside of the bend on a 60-degree jig hook (like an Eagle Claw EC413). If so, the eyes should be on the outside of the bend. In other words, if the fly is supposed to swim in the orientation pictured, the eyes should be underneath the hook, so that the eyes along with the hook bend assist in keeping the fly in this orientation. If I'm seeing it wrong, sorry and never mind. -- Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deeky 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2009 Technically speaking - if it's supposed to be a clouser, the shank should be straight, it's way too full, and the orange on the bottom should should be lashed down behind the eyes, not just in front of the eyes. But really, if it fishes and orients itself the right way, then great - fish it, whatever you want to call it. As for the eyes, if you are using a straight shank hook, the eyes should be on the opposite side from the bend to flip it hook point up. But if it is a bent shank, it looks like the bend still puts the hook eye above the dumbells, even if they are on the top of the shank. This will keep it flipped hookpoint up. It's about the same physics as why a beadhead will usually flip a down-eye hook upside down. Hope that makes sense. Deeky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deeky 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2009 Sorry, software glitch and a double post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hairstacker 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2009 Technically speaking - if it's supposed to be a clouser, the shank should be straight, it's way too full, and the orange on the bottom should should be lashed down behind the eyes, not just in front of the eyes. But really, if it fishes and orients itself the right way, then great - fish it, whatever you want to call it. As for the eyes, if you are using a straight shank hook, the eyes should be on the opposite side from the bend to flip it hook point up. But if it is a bent shank, it looks like the bend still puts the hook eye above the dumbells, even if they are on the top of the shank. This will keep it flipped hookpoint up. It's about the same physics as why a beadhead will usually flip a down-eye hook upside down. Hope that makes sense. Deeky I agree, if it fishes and orients itself the right way, great! And if that is how you prefer to tie 'em, so be it. All I was trying to point out is that is not how they are normally tied. Jig hook-style Clousers are very popular among hardcore saltwater flyrodders and I've yet to see one that didn't have the eyes strapped outside of the bend. Here is a nice tutorial that shows how they are typically tied on: http://www.flyfishnorcal.org/php-nuke/modu...page&pid=85 And here is an example of one sold by Umpqua: http://www.umpqua.com/pc-1590-8-flashtail-...ok-blanton.aspx Here are some featured by Dan Blanton, noted saltwater guide who invented the Whistler: http://www.danblanton.com/AustraliaFlies.html But, again, to each his own. In the end, there are no rules in fly tying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smalliestalker 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2009 Ok...all of this makes sense.....still, the eyes are tied so the fly rides in the water with the hook point up....it is a straight shank hook as well....and there are feathers involved....more of a half and half.....yes, I used the term clouser, maybe I shouldn't have.....I tie sparsly tied clousers as well, this particular one is tied very thick, it moves a lot in the water, has a big profile and catches a ton of smallmouths and walleyes....especially in the fall....I apologize if my photo led to any confusion...the pattern is in the data base with a photo series showing how I tie it....maybe that will help if I mislead anyone.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites