Worth the Price Used?

[Stippled Popper 0]

tying flies by hand with no vise...

 

How many flies can you do that way before the hand holding the hook starts to cramp up and how long before you start getting carpal tunnel.

 

I used to tie commercially so a vise just got in the way for the simple flies ( Black bear and other simple salmon flies , woolly buggars some stone flies lots of wet flies) your not just holding the hook in the same spot all the time your moving around? I've never had any issues yet and I'm now 46 being tying since 14. When I go through my journal my best year I was 18 tied 23,000 flies that year only 3 days of fishing that year but bought my first truck New that year!!

 

The old days were so simple!

 

Don't tie as much now but still lov the challenge!!

 

Blessings,

Jeremy

 

 

Amazing Jeremy!

 

I'd have never guessed there would be no detectable effects.

[Guest Tony P]

This is similar to the age old car debates, is this or that car worth more money than that car when they can all get you from point A to point B. I say the LAW vise is worth every penny you spend on it as long as you are happy with your purchase. I still have my first Thompson A vise that I still use on occasion but I also have a Dyna King vises, a Nor-Vise, & a LAW with plans to purchase a Renzetti or two in the future. Why? Because enjoy collecting vises & I appreciate the design & mechanics of each one. I do use all of them from time to time with the LAW getting the most use but that is my personal preference, not because it costs more than the others.

[JSzymczyk 0]

a $900 vise (or$700, whatever) is no different than a $3500 1911 custom pistol. If you can afford it, yay for you. If I ever bought either one of those, It would have to come with a casket because my wife would kill me.

 

If you have the disposable income and have every other important base covered, then by all means, spend spend spend. I would hate to see someone spend that kind of money on a toy, ( let's face it, it is a toy ) and at the end of the month be worried about the electric bill, feeding the kids, paying off a student loan that I financed for them, etc.

 

Pride of ownership is a great thing, but it shouldn't be based on a dollar figure.

[David Legg 0]

I was originally asking the question to see how many people thought the LAW vise was worth this much used. As for the new ones, I don't object to the price at all. It's simply a matter of whether you want one that much or not. If I wanted a LAW, I would just save up my money until I had enough. I just think I would rather have a new one if I was going to spend that much money, because the warranty would be worth something, just in case. It is possible that Mr. Waldron might take care of a problem if it came up for someone who was not the original owner, but I would not expect him to... and he would certainly not be obligated to do so.

 

So, let's suppose you were considering shelling out $900 for a vise, how much cheaper would you need it to be in order to consider a pristine used one that has no warranty?

[flytyinfreak 0]

tying flies by hand with no vise...

 

How many flies can you do that way before the hand holding the hook starts to cramp up and how long before you start getting carpal tunnel.

 

I guess someday I'll get to ask Lee Wulff that very question. Then again why don't you ask Claudia, she ties by hand and produces amazing flies!

 

I hear the talk but I'll tell you straight, if i had the cash I would jump on it. LAW vices are as much a piece of art as the flies that come from them. I DO feel that tying on a LAW vice makes my tye better flies. If I bought a sage rod and reel would I put budget line onto it? do you buy used tires for a vintage 53 corvette? NO! If I tied with a LAW I would make sure that the flies that came off that vice were worthy of the vise they were tied on! NUFF SAID!

 

[Jeremy Parker 0]

tying flies by hand with no vise...

 

How many flies can you do that way before the hand holding the hook starts to cramp up and how long before you start getting carpal tunnel.

 

I guess someday I'll get to ask Lee Wulff that very question. Then again why don't you ask Claudia, she ties by hand and produces amazing flies!

 

I hear the talk but I'll tell you straight, if i had the cash I would jump on it. LAW vices are as much a piece of art as the flies that come from them. I DO feel that tying on a LAW vice makes my tye better flies. If I bought a sage rod and reel would I put budget line onto it? do you buy used tires for a vintage 53 corvette? NO! If I tied with a LAW I would make sure that the flies that came off that vice were worthy of the vise they were tied on! NUFF SAID!

Just a question? So if a person ties on a law vice they will be a better tier then me tying on my regal vise??

 

Blessings,

Jeremy

[Silver Doctor 0]

I have a Law vice on order, by the sounds of these posts I must be rich or a bad person. I've tied for 50 years now and will sell my existing vice collection when it gets here. Have tied on the Law a few times and like it. A personal favorite.

[flytyinfreak 0]

tying flies by hand with no vise...

 

How many flies can you do that way before the hand holding the hook starts to cramp up and how long before you start getting carpal tunnel.

 

I guess someday I'll get to ask Lee Wulff that very question. Then again why don't you ask Claudia, she ties by hand and produces amazing flies!

 

I hear the talk but I'll tell you straight, if i had the cash I would jump on it. LAW vices are as much a piece of art as the flies that come from them. I DO feel that tying on a LAW vice makes my tye better flies. If I bought a sage rod and reel would I put budget line onto it? do you buy used tires for a vintage 53 corvette? NO! If I tied with a LAW I would make sure that the flies that came off that vice were worthy of the vise they were tied on! NUFF SAID!

Just a question? So if a person ties on a law vice they will be a better tier then me tying on my regal vise??

 

Blessings,

Jeremy

 

Nice try my Christian brother (Romans 7:24,25 ) but the fallacy in your logic is in your assumption of what I wrote. I simply stated that "I" would tye a better fly by tying on a LAW simply because the use of such a beautifully crafted and manufactured vice would inspire me to tye a better fly. Tying on a Law would demand a higher quality fly be created on said vice. The same could be said of any high quality high dollar vice. If I bought a Renzetti Special edition master ( $940 ) I would strive to make sure that I produced a better fly, maybe to justify spending the money maybe as a kudo's to the quality of the instrument. Get my point. Now lets talk about that Regal.. I can't stand em. You know why? I have arthritis in my hands from years and years of swinging a hammer and when I used a regal repetitively( had one for a short while) I found that at the end of the night my hands HURT! other than that, to each his own. don't care if your tying on a LAW or a pair of vice grips clamped to your glove box in your beat up old ford truck at 4 am cuz you think the chrome on the river would prefer something a little more purple than what you got! As long as your happy with what you got and are tyin flies that catch fish, more power to yah!! All I'm say is

 

[cussfly16 0]

I have to say, this is the funniest pot stirring I have ever done... It is a funny mix of people we have on here, and when I made my original post I knew that this is what it would turn into. I do have to say, I believe the guys who have said they think they would tie better on a LAW are hilarious! I understand that certain peoples hands and forearms need vises with certain articulations for it to feel comfortable and allow for better material manipulation therefore producing a better fly. And to reference an earlier comment, where the LAW was called a piece of art, I had to laugh. Sorry freak. I too am a carpenter, and I understand the importance of a good tools. But when someone says that it will make them tie better it is wild to me.... In my experience the only thing that makes you tie better is tying alot and constantly pushing your abilities and ideas. The Indian not the Arrow( although good arrows help)

[flytyinfreak 0]

You can get behind the wheel of a Honda civic and drive it well, but I'll bet you feel like, and perform like a better driver if you sat behind the wheel of a Porsche 911 ( and not being scared shitless to wreck). right? tell me that driving a nice well crafted sports car (VS a assembly line manufactured K-car) wouldn't make you a better driver and I'll call you full of it. straight up. I stand by by my post, as tying on a LAW would make me want to tye a better fly not automatically make me a better tyer.

[flytire 0]

i was at the fly fishing show in Marlborough, Mass last weekend and talking to a brit who was tying on one. he was not the original owner of the vise but something happened to it. he said he called mr waldron about fixing and mr waldron sent him the part/s needed without any questions. this to me indicates that mr waldron stands by his product 100% and will honor the warranty to a second owner. there's really not much that could go wrong with these vises. a well crafted machine rarely breaks down.

 

the tyer at the show was left handed, and i would imagine mr waldron make less of these than right handed vises.

 

to ask if they are worth it used, i would have to say yes. the ad on ebay doesn't state how old the vise is but from the fotos it doesn't look like it was used very much. i think its unfair to judge a person who is wanting a waldron vise and is willing to pay for one new or used. its really none of my business.

 

will it make you a better tyer. i don't think so! fly tying requires some talent to turn out quality tied flies. the vise just holds the hook. someone said they would be inspired to tie better flies. how long would that inspiration last? until the novelty of owning a waldron vise wears off? maybe longer? i dont know.

 

i definitely would like to own one, but its just not in the budget right now!

[flykid 0]

Renzetti sells vices for over $1000. I would get the law over that. That shows the law isn't even the extreme in the vice market as far as pricing goes. I don't know if it would make you a better tier, but like others have said it can cause you to spend more time at the vise and want to tie better. SO to go back to the original question I would probably go to about $700 for a really nice condition used LAW. I have heard great things about them. I work within my budget but focus on the best quality I can afford. If that vise is in someones budget then go for it! A well made tool will always make your job easier or more enjoyable. We also have to look at the longevity of the tool. I'm sure the LAW will last a lifetime. And if you want a vise you'll never have to replace then the LAW seems like a viable option. And it will probably be worth something in the future. It's like the car thing. You can buy old muscle cars now and exotic sports cars. The muscle cars are cheaper (ususally sometimes not the case at all) and very appealing to some people. I would call my renzetti a muscle car and the LAW a sports car. The renzetti is quality and is something I can afford and prefer over the sports car. The LAW is the sports car which is someting I'd also like to have but isn't preferred or affordable to me. We can always question if the object's quality is worth the price or not. That's for the buyer to decide. So I think people need to stop jumping down people's throats if they want a nice item just because they cant afford it themselves or aren't intrested in shelling out the big bucks. No ones right or wrong so stop trying to force your own beliefs down peoples throat. We're all old enough to decide things for ourselves.

 

To the original poster: sorry for getting so long winded. My answer to your question is buried somewhere. All the other comments got me rambling

[Jeremy Parker 0]

We are all bad boys :devil2:

 

I drive the Kcar of vises :crying: Lightin up flykid we are just having a conversation?

 

Does anybody feel hurt? :baby: If anybody is I'm sorry

 

Blessings,

Jeremy

 

 

[the saltydog 0]

I have 4 vises, the renzetti master, pamola fly lathe, a xuron and a patriot... I haven't used the patriot in a while and its just taking up space, but I use the others. The renzetti is used the most for all around, the pamola for midges and long saltwater flies, the xuron for anything needs total access all around the hook and for travels. Will I buy a LAW in a few years, yes its a beautiful and functional device, I can appreciate the craftmanship. I can tie all the flies I tie at the same quality level on my Xuron which cost me 40 or 50 bucks 25 years ago, though the other vises let me do it differently with rotary or hook access.

 

Is tying a hobby, a chore to fill your box for fishing or a business? You will have a different outlook on your tools depending on your answer. The carpenters on here know that the tools they use are different then the guy who is in his workshop taking a year on a project that a carpenter needs to complete in a week to feed his family. We can all use milk crates to store our clothes, but we usually choose to use furniture. Fact is for me, I live out of a suit case for 50% of the time and could do it for the other 50% when I'm home and yet I do have furniture and use it.

 

I would say for most of us here, it all boils down to being comfortable and confident with the tools you use, hook holding power, access around the hook, if you want to tie rotary style or not and the amount of disposable income you have for a hobby. Its funny whenever we get into this discussion, the pro-tyers on here don't chime in.

 

As for the entire fly tying industry, its probably healthy that there are people spending that much money on this stuff.. otherwise the industry would dwindle down and we would all have to be hunting for our materials. Then we can debate if a weatherby is worth the price for a job that a mossburg can do.

 

Its all good fun and keeps us out of trouble.

[cussfly16 0]

This is my last post on this subject... To a certain degree, I agree with everyone and what they have said. To point out, earlier in my posts I said I was not disparaging LAW Vise or Mr. Waldron. I should have been more exact in saying I dislike it when I see people obviously more interested in the status quo of owning that vise or that tool, because it has an effect on other people of making them want something they don't need. Especially here because we have so many young tiers who peruse these pages and posts that need to concentrate on proportions and whip finishes, not the vise that will make them cool. I am down with the collectors of vises, and guys who have been tying many years and finally want the best or just something different going for a LAW. But face it guys, if we hadn't seen Oliver Edwards tying on one of those vises, half of us would not care. This is not a financial envy, or a pushing of my beliefs down your throat. I feel like I have been polite on these posts, and that is why I respectfully bow out now before I say something I would regret.... I apologize to the fella who started this post and I turned it into this mess. But to answer your original question, in my humble opinion, its probably not "worth" it. But if you "want" it, go get it....... :thumbsup: