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And they say something is wrong with our healthcare. Mr. Legg, I'm glad you're doing alright. Once again, I feel the need to repeat myself, "If people think healthcare is expensive now, wait until you see how much it costs when it's free."

 

 

Indeed. I dread the day when we have a healthcare system as atrocious as France and Canada....

 

David I hope you are feeling better. About the hospital gowns, you know what they say....

 

Hospital gowns and House insurance have one thing in common.....you're never as covered as you think you are :P

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And they say something is wrong with our healthcare. Mr. Legg, I'm glad you're doing alright. Once again, I feel the need to repeat myself, "If people think healthcare is expensive now, wait until you see how much it costs when it's free."

 

 

Indeed. I dread the day when we have a healthcare system as atrocious as France and Canada....

 

David I hope you are feeling better. About the hospital gowns, you know what they say....

 

Hospital gowns and House insurance have one thing in common.....you're never as covered as you think you are :P

I wouldn't go as far as calling it atrocious... outrageously espensive is what I would call it. But it's no secret that our nation needs reform in healthcare. Unfortuantley, the supreme evil in this world, Pharamceudical Companies, will never let it happen - not to mention the partisonship that's antagonizing any form of progress.

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Well, I would go as far as atrocious. France especially. I recommend Beck's book called Arguing with idiots ;)

I've read all his books hahaha, you're talking to a Conservative over here!

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Thanks! I'm sure glad it didn't turn out to be anything serious.

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Hey David, Get well soon and so glad to hear it wasn't a heart issue!

 

One year ago this June it took me two and half hours to convince my husband he was having a heart attack and needed to go to the hospital. STUBBBORN!!! He would not let me call 911 and I drove him to the ER. When the doctor came in and looked at the EKG he said "Oh Wow". Hubby said, "Wow, What?" I slugged him in the arm and said YOU ARE HAVING A HEART ATTACK! DUFUS!!

 

Guys don't be stubborn! Do as David did and get it checked! Get well soon David!!

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Hey David, Get well soon and so glad to hear it wasn't a heart issue!

 

One year ago this June it took me two and half hours to convince my husband he was having a heart attack and needed to go to the hospital. STUBBBORN!!! He would not let me call 911 and I drove him to the ER. When the doctor came in and looked at the EKG he said "Oh Wow". Hubby said, "Wow, What?" I slugged him in the arm and said YOU ARE HAVING A HEART ATTACK! DUFUS!!

 

Guys don't be stubborn! Do as David did and get it checked! Get well soon David!!

Do you think slugging him in the arm was the best idea given he's having a heart attack? Hahaha, :j_k:. What a lot of people don't know is, including myself up to a little over a year ago, heart attack can start well over 30 mins. before you actually collapse or feel pain etc. Scary!!

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This morning my doc ordered another MRI of my blown shoulder, at 1130, and at 1700 this afternoon I was in the machine. Let's see THAT happen in Canada or France.

 

 

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I wouldn't know - haven't lived in Canada or the Country-That-Must-Not-Be-Named, but what I do know is like 60% of a person's income goes to the government...

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David. Glad you're ok. My doc scared the Heck out of me this year and I quit smoking. Now all I have to do is lose this weight Ive gained since I got married. Chasing girls was the only exercise I used to get and now that I stopped doing that........

 

Anyway, I just got a letter from my insurance company three days ago and after twenty five years as a type 1 juvenile diabetic, the insurance company is telling me that they will no longer pay for my brand of insulin and that I have to switch to a different brand. I know most of you have heard and despised my liberal views in the past, but does it really make sense to have the wolf guarding the henhouse? How can a "for profit" insurance company deliver the best care when they are trying to deliver it at the least possible cost? Obviously the amount of "fat" in the system is absurd and needs significant reformation.... Certainly the government can not provide the most efficient system due to cost, beauracracy etc ad nauseum? Maybe the President's plan is total crap....... but we have to do something. Taking my well fed and insured butt out the mix, I think that it is totally despicable that in the richest nation on earth, we have people that are not able to get basic health care. We have to realize that corporate profits do not necessarily represent the best for the common good. Please dont start screaming socialist as I am certainly not, but believe that capitalism is best served when monitored and controlled for the common good. Somewhere in the middle is the golden mean..."In medias res" again.

 

Many of our forebears came "off the boat" and had no insurance or healthcare and had to work their way to the American dream. They also worked 18 hour days with horrible working conditions. Again government regulation remedied these wrongs. I certainly have difficulty in giving every new person "off the boat" carte blance to our healthcare system on my tax dollar, but at the same time I would rather give up some of my "comfort" to aid my brother than have people dying of simple infections and labor. The greater the stratification of man, the greater the danger. Rome fell and should remain in the dust. Take a BIT of the profit out of insurance, pharmaceutical and healthcare and we would all be healthier, both physically and spiritually.

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Hear Hear Rid! Very well said and appreciated!

 

Signed another acursed tree hugging liberial. I'll shut up now.

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Thanks...

Sorry to hear about your situation. That stinks.

I don't think insurance companies should be allowed to do that. I don't think the govornment should be allowed to do that either, and if the govornment becomes our insurance company, it could come to that, and I am afraid that's where we are heading. I'd like to see govornment reform the problems without taking over. I hope your situation works out.

 

David <><

 

David. Glad you're ok. My doc scared the Heck out of me this year and I quit smoking. Now all I have to do is lose this weight Ive gained since I got married. Chasing girls was the only exercise I used to get and now that I stopped doing that........

 

Anyway, I just got a letter from my insurance company three days ago and after twenty five years as a type 1 juvenile diabetic, the insurance company is telling me that they will no longer pay for my brand of insulin and that I have to switch to a different brand. I know most of you have heard and despised my liberal views in the past, but does it really make sense to have the wolf guarding the henhouse? How can a "for profit" insurance company deliver the best care when they are trying to deliver it at the least possible cost? Obviously the amount of "fat" in the system is absurd and needs significant reformation.... Certainly the government can not provide the most efficient system due to cost, beauracracy etc ad nauseum? Maybe the President's plan is total crap....... but we have to do something. Taking my well fed and insured butt out the mix, I think that it is totally despicable that in the richest nation on earth, we have people that are not able to get basic health care. We have to realize that corporate profits do not necessarily represent the best for the common good. Please dont start screaming socialist as I am certainly not, but believe that capitalism is best served when monitored and controlled for the common good. Somewhere in the middle is the golden mean..."In medias res" again.

 

Many of our forebears came "off the boat" and had no insurance or healthcare and had to work their way to the American dream. They also worked 18 hour days with horrible working conditions. Again government regulation remedied these wrongs. I certainly have difficulty in giving every new person "off the boat" carte blance to our healthcare system on my tax dollar, but at the same time I would rather give up some of my "comfort" to aid my brother than have people dying of simple infections and labor. The greater the stratification of man, the greater the danger. Rome fell and should remain in the dust. Take a BIT of the profit out of insurance, pharmaceutical and healthcare and we would all be healthier, both physically and spiritually.

 

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The government has the power to give you everything you need and take away everything you have. Trust me, as a Conservative even I think we need reform, but universal isn't the way to go.

 

Now, I'm not gunna sit behind the protection of my computer and spout how Obama and his cabinet is the Anti-Christ; no, I am going to actually point-counterpoint this thing and give some solutions.

 

It was once said that the "impersonal hand of the government cannot compete with the helping hand of the neighbor". I happen to find this as very relevant and true. It is also true that American healthcare is less than stellar and probably below acceptable for a majority of Americans. So why are we not putting these two truths together? Well, to explain that I we need to focus our attention on the inequalities of healthcare. A person living in Illinois who has a high, but basic, monthly health insurance premium of $500 may not be able to afford it - thus it is taken away from the person. That being said, there could be a health plan of equal or greater coverage in Maine for far less than $500 dollars. Currently, the state of Maine's price on health insurance is off limits to those who live in Illinois. Now here's where the "neighbor" part of the plan comes in: lift the state restrictions on healthcare. That way you create a new and thriving market for healthcare and people will flood the place. Just like any other market, you need to undercut the competitor’s prices - creating equilibrium and thus driving the prices of healthcare down while the quality goes up.

 

Counter-point: Universal healthcare; a bypass or shortcut. That's all that NEEDS to be said but let me indulge a little here. Has anyone ever told you “there's no shortcuts to success”? The answer is a most likely yes. Furthermore, you probably are aware that shortcuts make things easier in most cases. But this shortcut at hand, free healthcare, is not one of those cases. When you try to play with fire (the economy) you're gunna get burned (taxed the hell out of). But this grand scheme of healthcare is too good to pass up right? I mean after all it is free! Or is it? No. For the meager paychecks I get during the summer as a lifegaurd, I want to KEEP the meager checks I get as a lifegaurd. I'm not willing to pay (in the future) 50-60% of my hard earned money to the government so they can provide me with G.I., sub-par, one-size-fits-all healthcare.

 

Still don't believe? Let's look at the SAME PROBLEM on a smaller scale. With this trial, I'd like to bring into question "Exhibit A"... Wal-Mart. Now, most of you already know that Wal-Mart is as prolific as the common cold. Moreover, you're bound to find one in almost every little town, ever. But let's look more in depth. When a powerhouse such as Wal-Mart comes into a town and sells it's wares for far less money that any private owned shop could, the private shop ceases to exists. But less money spent is a good thing! Right? Wrong. It's a quality over quantity game when you boil it down. Do you want some P.O.S "Made in China" item that you got at Wally World for $7 or do you want a quality item from a private owned shop that set you back $13? The choice seems clear. It's more cost effective to buy 1 expensive thing than many cheap things... but you're gunna need foresight to see it.

 

Let me stop there. Politicians don't have the foresight - you heard it here first. I for one would like to keep most of my paycheck and get some decent coverage rather than give away most of my paycheck and get some shoddy coverage.

 

On a closing note, I strongly recommend you guys read some of Thomas Jefferson's works for he is, in my opinion, the purest form of a politician and basically thinks like the Constitution says.

 

 

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