gaeronf 0 Report post Posted March 13, 2011 My whip finishes have been undoing lately. I use a materelli and normally do two or three separate finishes. What do you think is the problem with them pulling out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johny Utah 0 Report post Posted March 13, 2011 1 whip is sufficient. Always do at least 3 turns. Be sure each wrap is in front of the preceding one. Be sure you tighten the knot completely when you finish. Really give it some torque. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flytyer14 0 Report post Posted March 13, 2011 You CANNOT put the wraps right on top of one another. you have to wrap them back over the thread, you should make 5 turns they say...although I only do 4. good luck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JSzymczyk 0 Report post Posted March 13, 2011 I normally do 5 turns, BACK TO FRONT so there is no thread coming over the whips, if that makes sense. If you have a steep tapered head perhaps on a bucktail or something, head cement will hold everything in place. On smaller flies and dry flies, I often don't use head cement at all, and I can't remember a whip finish coming apart on me. Ideally, you want your whip finish to look just like the ones on rod guides--- invisible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gaeronf 0 Report post Posted March 13, 2011 Thanks everybody! I got it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RagingBull 0 Report post Posted March 14, 2011 yes like previously said you have to go from the back to the front for it to tie properly. I also put a dab of superglue on all of my finished knots too. Its a little over kill but nothing is worse than putting a fresh fly on and have it start to fall apart after the first fish or snag. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Will K 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2011 When building bead heads, I put some head cement on the thread before doing the whip finish. Meaning the thread that's hanging down from the fly. Since it's seating in there behind the bead, I dont want cement getting down there and mucking up the dubbing or what not... Reading the OP's question, makes me wonder... anyone ever do that on a regular head fly? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeremy Parker 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2011 I dislike tools! I use a hand whipfinish, use at least 5 turns and really snug it up afterwards!!! Blessings, Jeremy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rich5665 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2011 I dislike tools! I use a hand whipfinish, use at least 5 turns and really snug it up afterwards!!! Blessings, Jeremy Show Off I can never seem to be able to do that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJ All Day 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2011 I dislike tools! I use a hand whipfinish, use at least 5 turns and really snug it up afterwards!!! Blessings, Jeremy I'm just curious of why you don't like the tool? I understand there is personal preference. Just a little curious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JSzymczyk 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2011 I tied for over 25 years without a whip finish tool, I learned to do it by hand as a kid. Over the last 5 years or so I find I am using the tool almost all the time now.....??? sometimes on smaller flies I get better control with the tool versus by hand. :dunno: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johny Utah 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2011 I also whip by hand. Your hands are your greatest tools you will ever have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeremy Parker 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2011 I dislike tools! I use a hand whipfinish, use at least 5 turns and really snug it up afterwards!!! Blessings, Jeremy I'm just curious of why you don't like the tool? I understand there is personal preference. Just a little curious. I first started fly tying at 8yrs old, I learned without even a vise, you did everything with your hands! At 15yrs old I was producing 3 dozen wooly Buggars/hr by hand for my best friend for commercial sale at the end of that first yr I had tied 15,000 flies and bought my first vise!! When I commercial tyed I still did it by hand the vise slowed me down!! I know off the question you asked just wanted to share some background. I like to use my hands as much as possible saves time when you commercial tie! I've long since given up commercial tying but old habits die hard!!! I have fun and thats all that matters ! tools ??? no tools????? Blessings, Jeremy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJ All Day 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2011 I have fun and thats all that matters ! That's one thing people always forget when doing anything... You gotta do it for fun! Because if your not then why do it? But your story was great I love learning how people use to tie before all this new technology came into play here. I also find myself whipping with my hand a lot, I find it easier also because I don't feel like picking up the tool then messing around making the triangle and all that when I just whip and done real quick. I do find myself whipping with a tool if I want more of a precise whip... But do the fish care? nope! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gaeronf 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2011 I figured out why my whip was coming out a lot, i wasn't tightening it enough and I was velcro-ing the fly too ergo the undoing... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites