freelans 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2011 I can tie the hoppicator and the caddis pupa but I'd really like some idea on how to tie the tungsten chocolate jawbreaker, namely the striated abdomen. It's a beautiful system that works fantastically for me but learning how to express that striated look has been frustrating. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stippled Popper 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2011 I can tie the hoppicator and the caddis pupa but I'd really like some idea on how to tie the tungsten chocolate jawbreaker, namely the striated abdomen. It's a beautiful system that works fantastically for me but learning how to express that striated look has been frustrating. I don't know what materials are used. But if you are talking about the alternating bands of color(light and dark) on the fly behind the abdomen, it looks like it could be a Banded Weave. It is discussed in The Fly Tier's Benchside Reference to Techniques and Dressing Styles in Chapter 10: Bodies Section 12 Woven Bodies Method #111. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freelans 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2011 I can tie the hoppicator and the caddis pupa but I'd really like some idea on how to tie the tungsten chocolate jawbreaker, namely the striated abdomen. It's a beautiful system that works fantastically for me but learning how to express that striated look has been frustrating. I don't know what materials are used. But if you are talking about the alternating bands of color(light and dark) on the fly behind the abdomen, it looks like it could be a Banded Weave. It is discussed in The Fly Tier's Benchside Reference to Techniques and Dressing Styles in Chapter 10: Bodies Section 12 Woven Bodies Method #111. Thanks for the advice, I'll give the benchside reference a look for sure. Hope it's not too time consuming to do a weave. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freelans 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2011 Just for reference, the chocolate Jawbreaker is can be seen at 5:08 in the vid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riffleriversteelheadslayer 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2011 Ron nailed it just do the banded weave and your golden Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stippled Popper 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2011 Oliver Edwards in his DVD Woven Flies Volume 2 which is part of his Essential Patterns Series, recommends taking a large hook and a large material such as Ultra Chenille(UC) and lashing the UC to the hook and using that to practice. The UC is large enough to undo for weaves that require untying knots. I've used this method to practice and gain some facility in several weaves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flytire 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2011 I can tie the hoppicator and the caddis pupa but I'd really like some idea on how to tie the tungsten chocolate jawbreaker, namely the striated abdomen. looks like a simple nymph with black wire ribbing similar to his pupa below here's the caddis pupa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JSzymczyk 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2011 I don't believe it is a woven abdomen. It's either simply ribbed with a contrasting material, or at the most complicated the abdomen is over-wrapped with contrasting materials (larva lace? turkey biot? ultra wire? anything you want?) copper-john style. I could be wrong. I'm wrong a lot; just ask my wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JRG 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2011 I thought it was a biot personally, but found this link. You can click on the picture of the fly box to enlarge. http://www.wayupstream.com/2007/09/hoppicator.html Not sure if any of those are the particular fly, but most look like they're just wrapped with a dark contrasting wire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Margaretann 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2011 What I do is once the abdomen is tied on I lift it up and make wraps around the shank of the hook until I get to the point if the new section. Wrap three tight wraps then lift the material up again and repeat until you get all the sections you want. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flytire 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2011 the flies inside the box are probably the "jawbreaker" flies in the video. still looks like wire ribbing to me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JSzymczyk 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2011 the flies inside the box are probably the "jawbreaker" flies in the video. still looks like wire ribbing to me right on. from the reflections, I think it is one of the plastic abdomen materials with a wire rib. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites