Peterjay 0 Report post Posted March 25, 2012 I've never found it necessary to go smaller than #20, even on the so-called "highly technical" streams out west. With my aging eyes, I'm happy to be tying for salt water these days - I don't remember the last time I tied anything smaller than #4. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
novabass 0 Report post Posted March 25, 2012 I haven't tied anything smaller than a 16. Around here I haven't had any use for smaller flies. We mostly have largemouth and smallmouth bass. But, I like to tie larger anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scud 0 Report post Posted March 26, 2012 What patterns do you tie that small? I go to 22s for bwo but thats it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blakejd 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2012 flies I tie in 24's and smaller are Barr's emerges, zebra midges, juju's, kleis's red zone, rs 2, disco midge, black beauty, parachute adams, trico, etc. You can't argue with success and on certain river systems small is where it is at. The biggest problem I find with fishing small flies on technical rivers is the fish often exceed the ability of the hook to hold. Sure you can hook up with a monster on ....... but can you land the fish without killing them? I honestly usually loose the pig by bending the hook out with too much pressure. Its a fine line much like tippet strength. My best hook ups and best fish over the past year have been with 24-26 midges, my best fish on and lost have been from the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jhammer 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2012 My hook range is pretty short. I've tied size 3/0 pike flies to size 14 panfish bugs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FishDragon 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2012 Size 20 is the smallest I tie myself but mostly have found size 18 to be a good size for chironomids. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hans Weilenmann 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2012 For me that would be Mustad #277 in size 32. Mind you, for this hook the 32 is simply a number. In real terms it is off the scale For tying only, not for my fishing. For fishing flies I stop at Tiemco 2488 #30 - a small but very fishable hook. Cheers, Hans W Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Runarsson 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2012 #32 for me. On the finger tip, Tiemco 518 to the left and Mustad 277 to the right. (Quite some difference.): Mustad 277: (I'm not ashamed to say that it wasn't a 5-minute job though. ) Tiemco 518: The smallest I've ever fished is #24 though... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fishing on the fly 0 Report post Posted March 29, 2012 I am sure you will all find this odd but what I do if I want to tie some 22's. First I will tie about 10 32's.... then when I tie the 22's they dont seem so small. I know it sounds dumb but it works. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThreeJsDad 0 Report post Posted March 30, 2012 I am sure you will all find this odd but what I do if I want to tie some 22's. First I will tie about 10 32's.... then when I tie the 22's they dont seem so small. I know it sounds dumb but it works. That actually makes complete sense. The fly in my avatar is an extended body BWO I tied. The hook is a 22 2X short. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piker20 0 Report post Posted March 30, 2012 Its always amazed me the size of trout that takes the two extremes of hook/bait sizes. BlakeJD mentioned it though, hooking them is one thing, landing them's altogether different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThreeJsDad 0 Report post Posted March 30, 2012 Its always amazed me the size of trout that takes the two extremes of hook/bait sizes. BlakeJD mentioned it though, hooking them is one thing, landing them's altogether different. I have landed some pretty nice fish on tiny stuff. The key is really the right reel and rod. Go with a 1-2wt rod so you can put max pressure on the fish while still protecting the tippet. With the lighter rods you will naturally fight the fish harder because you know you have a cushion. With a heavier rod you will naturally be less likely to push the battle because your brain is telling you not to pop the tippet. The other big deal is a click and pawl drag on the reel. Disc brags tend to need more energy to get them spinning. This is often called start up inertia. I also tie on a short shank hook so I have a tiny fly with more bite. When I lived in NY we like to fish the Trico fall on the Delaware. That was a "Real Treat", big bows eating size 26 spinners. If we landed 1 in 5 fish it was banner day. Most days we just walked away at the end shaking our heads. I have been really surprised at how quickly my 1wt is beating fish even on 7 and 8X tippets. I am sure it is because I can double the rod over and the fish never gets a break. where I fish now the bugs are not as thick as on the streams I once fished so I am fishing a LOT of midges (18-26) and landing a lot of nice fish. The right gear really helps. Paul Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piker20 0 Report post Posted March 30, 2012 3 weights are considered light here in UK and especially for me in windy Scotland I can't see many times when I will have conditions to allow me to get a 3 or less line out any distance. I am scouting a small river this year which in places is very narrow and might allow a finer approach. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites