petegray 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2012 'utility grade worksforme... if you go over them with L.C.A. [light cured acrylic] or Hard as Nails they will last longer... you can close up the splits to make 'em look better... split nail... L.C.A. applied... 'repaired and quite serviceable... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chefben4 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2012 ...Im brewing up a Milk Stout on Sunday while smoking a few pheasants I hope that's Medicinal Pheasant. Kirk Of course its only medicinal 'utility grade worksforme... if you go over them with L.C.A. [light cured acrylic] or Hard as Nails they will last longer... Nice flies petegray! Now I just am waiting for my feathers to get here! Thanks for posting! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Bob LeMay 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2012 I was given a JC cape many years ago and found little use for it. I ended up giving it away since it was deteriorating and I didn't want it to go to waste. Among my earliest books on flyfishing in saltwaters was one by Charles Waterman. He did show a few patterns that worked well in the salt (particularly in the brackish areas of the Everglades). In that era (in the fifties and early sixties) I'm sure the fish would have attacked anything that came their way.... so I never found JC to be something special. Tight Lines Bob LeMay (954) 435-5666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
petegray 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2012 Tie for yourself... don't worry about what some opinionated self appointed expert has to say about what you tie or how you tie it... As you progress, refine your basic skills and don't be afraid to tie without a recipe... start with a vague notion in mind and use fur, feathers, and flash to create an illusion... NO rules... Squid?! Stripes feeding on cephalopods seem to think so... the JC does no harm and makes me more pleased with the insinuation... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyFishin'Jam 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2012 Really sweet ties petegray, JC can also be used to give the illusion of shrimp eyes and has been used in many patterns for steelhead and salmon (these fish eat a lot of shrimpy stuff and squid in their ocean phase). Another feather used heavily in shrimp dressings is Golden Pheasant Tippets, such as the General Practitioner in all its variations. Think it comes in quite a few colours these days. Keep em' coming! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tidewaterfly 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2012 I haven't had or tied with JC in over 40 years. It looks great on the old classics where it was originally used, but frankly I like the 3-D or stick on eyes better for fishing. If I was tying classic flies for display then I would use the real thing, but since I'm tying for fishing purpose, can't see going that route. Keep in mind that JC was used in place of the eyes we now have, to add the suggestion of eyes, particularly to streamer patterns. I tried some of the plastic imitation JC once & it didn't convince me it was worth using over the real thing or other eye types. As the others have displayed, JC can be used in any pattern in which you're adding some type of eye. Personal choice! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chefben4 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2012 'utility grade worksforme... if you go over them with L.C.A. [light cured acrylic] or Hard as Nails they will last longer... Petegray! Are these just real good white saddle hackle? Or is it the whiting flat wing stuff? Really like that fly. Simple and Im willing to bet, very effective. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riffleriversteelheadslayer 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2012 I'm not a saltwater guy but I have stayed at Holiday Inn a few times you can use the JC on spoon type flies as an inlay I do this sometimes for crappie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piker20 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2012 Here is an article which shows the 'hotspot' created by JC feathers, amongst other stuff when UV light hits it. http://www.salmonfliesuk.co.uk/files/UV_flies.pdf So throwing some JC in your Salt flies definately won't hurt. BUT I still think there are plenty of cheaper alternatives. That said a £30 cape will tie up quite a few flies depending on how small you go. Hurry up and tie some Ben and then show us what you catch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
petegray 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2012 Petegray! Are these just real good white saddle hackle? Or is it the whiting flat wing stuff? Really like that fly. Simple and Im willing to bet, very effective. Personally, I prefer Whiting but, any good saddle hackles will work... besides the JC, foil and 3D eyez all have a place and a time... fyi: google "phly welding" for previously posted details... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyFishin'Jam 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2012 Looks like you are using some furnace and badger hackle too, yummy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the_scotsman 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2012 this has JC eyes and looks good Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyFishin'Jam 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2012 Just came across a nice roosterfish fly using JC eyes... http://www.flyfishinsalt.com/techniques/fly-recipies/g-s-hybrid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
petegray 0 Report post Posted October 23, 2012 If it looks as if it was tacked on as an afterthought, it probably was... 'perhaps better to strive for subtle incorporation of natural material to insinuate an illusion... google: "squimpish flies"... David Nelson professes a beautifully conceived tying philosophy and is a big influence in my vision of what a fly should strive for... and look like... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crawfly 0 Report post Posted October 23, 2012 I like the JC eyes from Pro Tube Systems. All the benefits of the real mccoy without the cost or hassle. Very nice ties petegray! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
