Hellgrammite 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2012 A week or so ago, I called a nice lady at St. Simons Outfitters and place an order for a Xuron vise; I purchased the basic model, which came to 128 dollars, shipping and all included. They were extremely friendly, in a few minutes my order was placed, and a week later, a well packed, fully insured box arrives at my door. I eagerly open it and was delighted with what I found. The pedestal base is nicely powdercoated and has a nonslip rubber surface on the bottom, and it is plenty wide and heavy enough that I cannot pull my vise over without breaking the usual 70 denier thread I use. Its stable. The stem mounts to the base via an ingenious ball and socket joint which allows the stem to be rotated or adjusted to any preferred angle and quickly secured with a single thumbscrew. The finish is nice, the machining is clean. No sharp edges or burred threads, and all holes are nicely chamfered. The jaws have a narrower point than my old Thompson model A, and I will have no troubles tying down to a 22 or even 24 on this vise. It also grips a size 6 with no problems (the largest hooks i have). The jaw tightens or loosens with the turn of a single lever, and requires no adjustment. The threaded shaft which pulls the jaws together has extra holes in it if someone wished to re-position the handle. It turns smoothly, snugly, with no catching, burrs, etc. The jaws grip splendidly, and you do NOT have to torque down on the handle to get them to do so. The jaws are a single piece of steel with a slot cut through them to allow them to close, and held in place by a single allen head set screw. Simple, reliable, and absolutely wonderful. All told, counting every screw AND the rubber pad on the base, this thing has 13 parts. That's it. I think you would have to expend some effort to find a way to break it. I tied a size 16 Pale Evening Dun for a test run, and the vise is a DELIGHT to use; plenty of clearance beneath the jaws and between the stem and bobbin, much, much easier to use than my Thompson. The hook never slipped and I was unable to get it to do so, even trying (the hook will bend or break first). The vise is pretty, simple, has wonderful clearance, and requires one motion for any size hook. In short, I will likely never buy another vise. Considering shipping and insurance was included, this vise cost me about 100 bucks. Wonderful tool. I will be contacting St Simons to see if extra jaws are available; not that I think I will ever need them, as the machining and finish on these is top notch, but because i want to be prepared for any eventuality for the life of me and the vise. I have a feeling I will die before it does. Vastly, vastly underrated and underpromoted vise. My Thompson just became my backup/travel vise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piker20 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2012 Glad to see you're happy with it. There is something attractive about the lack of screws, bolts, nuts etc. Hope it and us see many flies from it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Byron 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2012 I told you that you would like it! It will last longer than you, my friend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellgrammite 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2012 I told you that you would like it! It will last longer than you, my friend. You did! You may now say "I told you so!" Oh wait... you did! Thanks for the advice. I do love this vise! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BullRunBear 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2012 Hellgrammite, My Xuron vise arrived yesterday. It is just as you described it and so easy to use. My wife is happy with the simplicity. As a test I tried clamping size 2 hooks and size 28. No problems and no fiddling. (The only difficulty was trying to handle the size 28 hooks with big, thick fingers.) This week I'll be tying, or attempting to tie, my first flies in several decades. I'll have a choice between the Xuron and an HMH Spartan vise. Talk about luxury!! Thanks to the folks for their encouragement about the Xuron. The good reviews were spot on. Jeff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted March 19, 2013 Jeff, Just saw your post and was wondering how you liked the Xuron vise versus the Spartan. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bugsy 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2013 Looks like she hasn't been around since shortly after receiving her Xuron. Perhaps she's enjoying it too much to bother with the Internet. Let's hope that's all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JSzymczyk 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2013 Yeah, I've been wondering where she is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
E-Z Fly Tying Materials 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2022 Hello Yes these are fantastic Vices. Mine is all of 50 years old and still works a treat. Plenty of room under the hook for tying in materials. Lovely swan neck and rotating ball, to tie at any angle. I have not seen any other vice with this feature. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SilverCreek 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2022 1 hour ago, E-Z Fly Tying Materials said: Hello Yes these are fantastic Vices. Mine is all of 50 years old and still works a treat. Plenty of room under the hook for tying in materials. Lovely swan neck and rotating ball, to tie at any angle. I have not seen any other vice with this feature. Several Renzetti vises allow the user to rotate the jaw up or down through over 180 degrees. Other brands that have copied the Renzetti design can also do the same. Surely there must others. Any rotation over 180 degree is unnecessary anyway since the vice can just be turned around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
niveker 0 Report post Posted December 2, 2022 4 hours ago, E-Z Fly Tying Materials said: Lovely swan neck and rotating ball, to tie at any angle. A vise that reflects the 'less is more' style of fly tying. I would love to get my hands on one of those. Simplicity and style refined. Surely, it wouldn't make me a better tyer, but my flies would somehow look better in those jaws. Thanks for the pic, and welcome to the forum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NohackleHS 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2022 I used a Xuron for over 30 years. I bought it at the suggestion of Andy Puyans because he liked the simplicity. After a couple of years the tips of the jaw started flaring out so I took it back to the store where I bought it. They sent it back to the manufacturer and replaced it. Never had a problem with it for the next 25+ years. I'd still use it today except that I started tying flies that use UV resin so I needed a vice that rotates. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fishfrnzy2 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2022 Since this old thread was resurrected, I'll chime in. I bought one from Andy Puyan's shop about 1981 and still use it a lot. Easily tied 20k plus flies over those years on that vise. every now and then it spits a small hook when torquing on the thread but could be my fault for not getting enough in the jaws. When on a pedestal you can just tip the vise toward you to see most of the backside. Using UV glue the rotary style is faster but really it is not a big deal to rotate the light around the fly and shield with your hand as it comes into view. Doesn't take any longer if you have to unlock and relock rotary feature. On a side note, the one I have has a stainless shank(the one pictured by EZ looks like carbon steel that is rusting) and tool steel jaws. The jaws were plated with chrome or nickel which peeled off a couple years after purchase. Polished up with fine sandpaper and now has a pleasant patina. The ones they were selling a couple years later had a dull black oxide looking finish. The design of jaws on these vises is super simple and easy to make with a metal lathe and band saw. I have made a couple copies of this vice and a couple rotary style using the ball on the bottom inspired by the Xuron. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites