Anybody else receive...?

[hunthicks 0]

An email from [email protected] about fly tying materials from India?

Since this is the only fly tying site I'm affilated with I'm wondering if this is where they got my address.

Just want to know if they are legit or not. If they aren't just want others to be aware of it.

[Joe Hard 0]

I have not recieved anything from them, maybe it came from some of the flies that you sell on E-Bay.....? What were there prices like?

[Tim Smith 0]

Those indian wholesalers harvest email addresses any way they can (ebay, you posting your address in a post, code harvesting bots, etc) so they can send you that info, i get offers for wholesale armour all the time due to being a member of another message board

-T

[hunthicks 0]

Their prices were way too decent.. a bit too good to be true...like a jungle cock capes for 25 dollars, or 10000 meters of tinsel for 4 dollars. That's what made me believe it may be a scam and ask everyone here if they had heard from these people, and to warn them if it is.

I don't believe it came from my ebay, as that uses a different address then I do here.

Here is their email, including contact address. If what they are offering is true, it would be amazing, but I have a feeling it's a little shady.

Maybe someone has an extra couple dollars and doesn't mind the possibility of getting ripped off, but possibly getting a great deal.

If anyone has information on these folks, let us know. If they are legit and someone has ordered from them before, I'm in!

 

The email they sent me:

 

Dear Sir

 

 

 

We are introducing ourselves that we are manufacture and exporter in fly tying beads, Feathers and Thread in very large scale all over the world. We know that you are also dealing in this business. So we are giving you our best prices of as following.

 

FLY TYING BEADS:-

 

 

 

1. SOLID BRASS BEADS $ 8.00 PER 1000 PCS

SIZE: XL 7/32, LRG. 3/16, MED. 5/32, SML. 1/8, MICRO

COLOUR: GOLD, SILVER, COOPER, BLACK, AND NICKEL

 

 

 

2. LEAD EYES $ 8.00 per 1000 pcs

 

SIZE: XL 7/32, LRG. 3/16, MED. 5/32, SML. 1/8,

COLOUR: GOLD, SILVER, COOPER, BLACK, AND NICKEL

 

 

 

3. CONE HAEDS $ 8.00 per 1000 pcs

 

Size: 2mm, 3mm, 4mm, 5mm,

 

Colour: GOLD, SILVER, COOPER, BLACK, AND NICKEL

 

 

 

4. CHAIN BEADS $ 0.50 PER 1 FOOT

 

COLOUR:- GOLD, SILVER, RED, GREEN, BLUE ECT.

 

 

 

 

 

FLY TYING THREAD IN LARGE SPOOL :-

 

 

 

1. GOLD TINSEL $ 4.00 PER 10000 MTR.

 

2. SILVER TINSEL $ 4.00 PER 10000 MTR.

 

3. COPPER TINSEL $ 4.00 PER 10000 MTR.

 

4. METALLIC TINSEL $ 4.00 PER 10000 MTR.

 

5. MULTI CLOURS TINSEL $ 4.00 PER 10000 MTR.

 

6. FLOSS 1 STRAND $ 4.00 PER 10000 MTR.

 

7. FLOSS 4 STRAND $ 4.00 PER 10000 MTR.

 

8. MIDGE THREAD $ 4.00 PER 10000 MTR.

 

9. POLY DUB $ 4.00 PER 10000 MTR.

 

10.LEAD WIRE $ 10.00 PER KG.

 

(WIDE/MED/FINE)

 

11. GOLD WIRE $ 25.00 PER KG.

 

12. SILVER WIRE $ 20.00 PER KG.

 

 

 

LOSSE FEATHER:-

 

 

 

1. PEA COCK GOLD PLUMAGES $ 2.00 PER 100 PCS

 

2. PEACOCK BLUE PLUMAGES $ 1.50 PER 100 PCS

 

3. INDIAN CROWN WING FEATHERS (BLACK) $ 5.00 PER 100 PCS

 

4. INDAIN PARTRIDGE GRAY BODY FEATHERS $ 1.00 PER 100 PCS

 

5. INDAIN PARTRIDGE GRAY WING FEATHERS $ 3.00 PER 100 PCS

 

6. INDAIN PARTRIDGE BLACK BODY FEATHERS $ 2.00 PER 100 PCS

 

7. INDAIN PARTRIDGE BLACK WING FEATHERS $ 4.00 PER 100 PCS

 

8. JUNGLE COCK NECK LOOSE $ 4.00 PER 100 PCS

 

 

 

JUNGLE COCK NECK (delivery in January 2005)

 

 

 

1. JUNGLE COCK NECK (TOP) $ 25.00 EACH

 

2. JUNGLE COCK NECK (“A”) $ 20.00 EACH

 

3. JUNGLE COCK NECK (“B”) $ 15.00 EACH

 

4. JUNGLE COCK NECK (“C”) $ 10.00 EACH

 

 

 

 

 

ANIMAL HAIR:-

 

 

 

1. GOAT HAIR (BANDLES) 3” TO 5” $ 20.00 PER KG.

 

2. GOAT HAIR (BANDLES) 6” TO 8” $ 30.00 PER KG.

 

3. MONGOOSE HAIR (BANDLES) $ 300.00 PER KG.

 

4. BOAR BRISTEL $ 30.00 PER KG.

 

5. GOAT HAIR LONG ON SKIN 4”X 4” $ 24.00 PER DOZEN

 

6. SEEP TAILS $ 1.50 EACH

 

 

 

 

 

PACKING: - packs are 100 pcs in zip lock

 

 

 

DELIVERY: - 15 day after the receiving the order (by air)

 

 

 

So if you have any requirement then please tell us. We will be happy to serve you.

 

 

 

 

 

THANKING YOU

 

 

 

KAMAL

 

KAMAL INTERNATIONAL

 

B- 603 SECOND FLOOR

 

BUNKER COLONY

 

DELHI-110052

 

INDIA

 

PH:- 91-11-20570498

 

FAX:- 91-11-27382357

 

[ArkieFlyGuy 0]

I don't have any experience with these guys, but I do have experience with goods from India. Working in manufacturing, we are "bombarded" with requests to sample and purchase components and finished products from Indian manufacturers. This is MY opinion and experience only:

 

You will be amazed what you can get for your dollar from India. I'm not sure about the economics, but for some reason it is even a better "deal" than you get from the Chinese. I've seen products that cost us X dollars to manufacture at our site offered from Indian manufacturers at 25% of that cost delivered to our door. A hard bargain to pass up, right?

 

I will say the quality of products I've seen from India has been "good".... Notice I said "GOOD"..... NOT great...... If they know what it is you are after in terms of quality, reliability, asthetics, etc. they do a pretty good job of delivering it. But as with most things, the samples are much better than the standard items received.

 

The problem I see with fly tying material from India is that I don't see them knowing exactly what it is we, as fly tyers, want from our products. Someone told them there is a market in America for these products and they started making them and selling them via the net. I'm curious to know if any fly material wholesalers down to small fly shops purchase any materials from this company. If so, you may already have an idea what their products are like.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to find a wholesaler in the US buying this material, packaging it, and sending it out to your local fly shop. The only way to find out if this is legit is to make a small order. I'm sure they are looking to sell to larger operations, not to individual tyers.

 

Bottom line..... you may already be buying their products and don't know it.

[pacres 0]

I get emails like this all the time.

 

A few things to consider before you would think of buying from these guys.

 

It is cheap, and it is what you buy off of the shelves alot of the time. I have a friend who works for a supplier that orders tools, beads, jungle cock etc from India quite a bit. You are taking a bit of a risk when ordering. He has told me that they will piggy back orders into the US to save on shipping charges. That means, that they will on occation ship your materials to someone else in the US. It's up to you to track it down, and srrange shipping to your door.

 

He has also mentioned that once you buy from a vender, they will hound you on a daily basis in order to get you to buy more materials.

 

The quality of the materials is generally good, and the prices are great, but personally, I don't want the head aches that this guy deals with to save a few bucks.

 

my 2 cents...

[hunthicks 0]

Thanks for the info guys, if I ge a few extra dollars I might make a small order just to see, if i lose 10 bucks, no big deal!

 

[picketpin 0]

It sounds to good to be true MIKE

[Guest]

We also have to remember that these low prices (when real) come carried on the backs of horribly underpaid workers in most instances.

[Pujic 0]

Hey guys,

 

I just wanted to make sure everyone is aware that Fly Tying Forum doesn't collect and distribute member e-mail addresses in any way, shape or form. All member information is highly confidential and is not made available to anyone for any purpose.

 

There are "bots" out there which collect e-mail adddresses from relevant sites, such as this one, and many others, automatically. I have received similar e-mails in the past but have always steered clear of them, just in case.

 

The only time Fly Tying Forum will utilize our mailing lists is to send out updates (which are very infrequent, averaging less than 1 e-mail per quarter) notifying members of upcoming contests, etc...

 

I hope this helps.

Cheers,

 

Nick

 

 

[Guest]

You can get some damned good deals online from these guys. But sometimes, you just never know WHO you're dealing with. You may be in the middle of a scam. You just don't know really. You don't know if this truly is a person who has the stuff, or someone who wants you to send a western union check and last you hear from them.

 

Deals are good, but you don't know if the "grade" they spout is truly the grade. My buddy went and spent some time in Nepal and India while on leave with the Army. He brought me back a bunch of goodies from his trip. Some of it was just local culture stuff (like the ghurka display knife and some local wares from there). He's always known I was a flytyer, so bought me a bunch of materials. He did get a hellacious deal on them. BUT, the grade A JC he got wasn't even a B grade. Had splits galore. But he only paid like $15 for it though. So better then I could've here. I fixed the splits and was good to go.

 

I would be careful. So many scams out there now. Hard to know who's real, and who's a fake anymore.

[Guest]

Comment #1: If it sounds too good to be true, it is.

 

Comment #2: Support your local fly shops as much as you can.

 

Comment #3: If you receive an email from an unkonwn address, DELETE IT! Viruses are rampant and best spread through emails.

 

Last Comment: Since you are reading this, you have a computer connected to the internet (DUH!). If you are connected to the internet, you can find plenty of bargains from plenty of reputable dealers. If you frequent this site, you can find reputable dealers from reputable people on this board. I think it is fairly easy to figure out who's okay and who's not.

 

John

[Al Beatty 0]

Hi Hunthicks,

 

I've had good and bad experiences in purchasing items from India, especially feathers. I've never bought jungle cock even though the prices are attractive they are quite illegal. Years ago I purchased dryfly necks, guinea, hen saddles, etc from India and most orders came through. However one order went into "never-never land" and I never did receive it. The seller claimed he sent it but I never got it, it could have been stopped by customs. Today I import from India, Pakistan, England, Denmark, Norway, and Belgium and for the biggest part things go along without a hitch. To answer your question, I've purchased twice from the company you mentioned - one order I got and the other I didn't. That was about 7 years ago. Today with UPS and tracking it is fairly easy to keep track of orders. Good luck & ...

 

Tight Lines - Al Beatty

www.btsflyfishing.com

[hunthicks 0]

Thanks for the advice everyone!

Hooligan - I buy about 90 percent of my stuff from my local shop, just cause I know it helps them, even though since I'm doing things commercially I want to start finding a more profitable way(ie buying from a wholesaler). I always thought things that appeared too good to be true were just that, to good to be true, but, every once in a while, you ge something great out of the deal (300 dollar insulator out of my parents basement!)

And, just so you know, opening an email can't get you a virus, BUT downloading/opening an attachment can. There's no possible way to attach a virus to an email except by attachment. I open hundreds of emails I'm not sure of each week, and have never had a virus.

 

Al - Why is illegal for the jungle cock? Wild birds or something along those lines? Thanks for letting me know about your experience with these guys. I might make an order, I guess it's 50 - 50 whether I'll get it or not. But at that price, i guess it's worth it if they arrive.

 

I ordered a few things from the UK the other day...red legged partridge skin, stoat tails etc

[Betonporsas 0]

My mother used to say "there's no such thing as cheap and good at the same time, or it's stolen". That's what I think about that indian dealer: Wheter it's not legal or it's very poor quality

 

Although it's very tempting idea getting jungle cock capes (top quality) for 25$, I wouldn't make an order for those guys... Glad to pay 190€ for A Grade Cape, which I know it's legal and has brand on it. JMHO.