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Beginner Saltwater Materials List Help

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agn, if you order what used to be the 34007, which was replaced by the Z-steel, not sure of the model number. You will get a shiny finished hook, not sure if it is Duratin or not. I didn't realize the old 3407 was a Duratin finish.

There are likely still some of the Z-steel hooks around and likely some of the old soft 34007s as well.

I thought steel had to be exposed to water and air alternately in order to rust. At least at any rate of speed? The exposure to air they get in your fly box after they are wet is a main reason they rust so quickly if not washed and rinsed off, at least I think so, I'm not corrosion expert..

If a fish stays underwater, how long will it take for the hook to rust out, I'd be willing to bet a barbless SS hook would fall out long before a barbed steel hook would rust out. Not sure, just my guess, never heard of anyone actually testing that out, all I've ever heard was speculation.

 

Kirk

Easy to prove you're right on that one, A clouser tied on a bronze hook I lost to a snag in salt water remained under the water untill the neap tide exposed it and I could wade deep enough to fish it out 2 weeks. No obvious damage from rust. washed well when back home and still appears ok 3months later.

If you hook a SS and a bronze hook in a block and tether it in salt for a week, take same hooks and leave that pair in the air after a 30min dunk and then look at both pairs after week, soon see which rots.

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Thanks for all the great info guys! Feel Free to Keep it coming. Will definitely be helpful!!

 

Wish I had the cash to employ Kirk to hook me up with a saltwater kit! I already have a nice vice and set of tools!!

 

Couple of questions:

 

-Most of ya'll use 3/0 thread for salt tying?

 

-How about wire size or does that just depend on depth needs of fly?

 

-Will Clear Goo UV Hydo serve my purpose for head cement for salt fly's or do I need actual head cement or something thicker, would like to stick with Clear Goo due to the UV watt BS, be it true or not.

 

-The difference in 3407 and 3407DT? Duratin coated, longer shank?? Any good for tying on a cheaper hook? (I know the 34007 is Stainless and better just saw 3407DT at WalMart for cheap)

 

-And what exactly is everyone getting at Dollar stores?? And Kraft stores besides peacock feather and chenille?

 

CaptKenRoy, I am in the bay area (mostly fish the Clearwater, Dunedin, and St. Pete areas. I know up in Crystal River/Homosassa there is supposed to be some good flats fishing!

 

Again, thanks for all the help guys and again please keep it coming if anything pops up. Maybe we can get a nice comprehensive saltwater list put together for the salt guys!

 

Tony

Lots of questions and so little space>

 

First, there is a very good fly fishing club in the Tampa Bay area that does a lot of tying outside of meetings. I always think that watching another person tie flies is the best way to learn. I'm in the Southwest down by Cape Coral and if i can help, drop me a line.

 

Second. Dollar stores are a tyer's bargain basement. Always worth a trip. My advice is to look at what is available and try to imagine it in a fly. Right now, they are getting rid of their Halloween stuff, so some of the stuff in wigs and masks might work. While you are there, pick up a pair or two of cheap scissors - NEVER use your tying scissors to cut wire or stiff materials. Also, nail clippers are a good buy. Pick up a couple of storage boxes. Start now to sort materials when it is easy. Nail polishes - cheaper than pain and just as good.

 

Third: Pick up a bottle of Sally Hansen's Hard as Nails. Cheaper and easier to use than CCG plus it helps to coat your CCG heads with Sally's to reduce tackiness.

 

Fourth: Some will say i'm wasting my time but I enjoy exploring. There are dozens of coves and keys that are often overlooked by the experts. Keep a journal of where you fished and what fly worked and what didn't. I wish I would have done that when i first started down here. Don't ignore bridges.

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Great post from everyone and a lot of information.

 

I approach the "what do I need to start tying saltwater" question.

 

I ask - What three flies do you want to tie that you ARE GOING TO US most often for the area or species you will fish for most? Now I can develop a list of what you need and not what you should have.

 

I typically tell new tiers in the Norteast you need to first learn to tie a Deceiver, Clouser and Banger. Why? These three flies will catch 90% of the fish in our area and all over the world. These three flies use all the basics materials that you can tie a lot of other flies once you master the first three. Finnally, these three flies will teach you most of the fundamental techniques you will need to tie most other saltwater flies.

 

Best of luck and learn to tie three of the same flies at on sitting instead of doing three different ones. If I have to learn a new pattern I will tie 12 of them in a row at one sitting. You will see the progression in the quality and consistency improve with each fly.

 

Brad

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Be sure to post some photos of your ties.

Florida Sportmans Forum fly section has a lot of info it as well for the salt wit a few SBS posts.

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Re: Hooks rusting out in SW. Depending on the size, it can take a long time. I ran a charter boat for lots of years and used very distinctive rigging and fished in an area that was not heavily fished. I've caught fish that had broken client off as much as 6 months before. My rigging is pretty distinctive for this area and I knew when I had last fished some of the wrecks and rocks. Grouper are pretty much homebodies so I had a good idea of how long they'd kept the hook. I don't use stainless hooks but I doubt if it would make a huge difference.

 

If the hook is exposed to air like a plug hooked on a bar that is exposed twice per day it will rust out fast. The same plug hooked well below the surface will stay there a mighty long time.

 

Until you are sure you want to tie flies seriously, limit yourself to a few materials and basic equipment because it can sure get expensive and you won't get much back at a yard sale.

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