copper johns

[KOKOEK9 0]

is there a way to tie copper johns with other than the UV cement and the skin stuff

[flytire 0]

yes

 

duck or goose quill segment, dark biot, turkey or pheasant tail fibers, tyvek house wrapping paper etc for the wing case

 

head cement, clear nail polish, aileens fabric fusion etc

 

think about other materials that can be used. be creative. experiment

[mvendon 0]

Hi KOKOEK9,

 

I used this link last year to tie a bunch up before I went out west last year. I didn't get to use them much though, since that Yosemite rim fire ruined everything and we had to come back way earlier than planned. Here's the link. http://midcurrent.com/flies/tying-the-original-copper-john/ I used turkey quill instead of the thin skin.

 

Regards,

Mark

[Crackaig 0]

The Copper John certainly pre dates UV resin, so that is a given. I believe the original used epoxy. If you are using any coating that dries slowly tie a batch then mix the coating, and apply to them all.

 

There are endless things you can substitute for the Thin Skin. If you want something quite close look for some discarded vinyl packaging. My landing net came in some that is great for this.

 

Cheers,

C.

[flytire 0]

Cassette tapes, VHS tapes, anti static bags, black electricians tape, balloons etc yada yada yada

[JSzymczyk 0]

Depends on whether you want to tie a Copper John, or some variation which is sort of like a Copper John.

[SilverCreek 0]

Harry Mason of Troutlfies.com had a great tutorial for tying a Copper John. His method of tying in the partridge hackle legs differs from the Midcurrent directions which otherwise happen to be excellent. However, I prefer Harry's method which pretty much guarantees that an equal number of fibers will be on each side of the fly and will be of equal and symmetrical length.

 

Harry has passed away but fortunately we can still see his tying instructions at:

 

http://web.archive.org/web/20120812102951/http://www.troutflies.com/tutorials/cjohn/index.shtml

 

His instructions for the legs are steps 22 - 26 which begin here:

 

http://web.archive.org/web/20100428064734/http://www.troutflies.com/tutorials/cjohn/22.shtml

[flytire 0]

I think Charlie craven ties it pretty damn good

 

http://www.charliesflyboxinc.com/flybox/details.cfm?parentID=17

[Curtis Fry 0]

For simplicity, leave out any resin or epoxy and just use something like pearl mylar or some simple scud back for the wing case. This is one I did a while back and, although it has the skin and resin, you don't 100% have to have it.

 

http://www.flyfishfood.com/2014/03/copper-john-skwala-style.html

[bighornbuster 0]

Let's face it, Charlie Craven ties everything pretty damn good. I am pretty sure John Barr spends some time in his shop and likely he learned it from the original tyer.