mikechell 0 Report post Posted May 11, 2015 I will be going to California in July ... so if anyone wants some real Condor to compare with, just ask. They're just huge ugly vultures ... For the right price I'll get you one. (Said price must include enough money to run from the authorities until they quit chasing me.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuciV 0 Report post Posted May 17, 2015 I asked devaux and they told me that is these pcs are from swam. Cheers, lucian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crazy4oldcars 0 Report post Posted May 17, 2015 You can get yellow ones on Sesame Street...... Just sayin'! For those outside the US, Sesame Street is a children's television program. One of the characters on it is Big Bird, a 7 foot (1.3m), yellow, talking bird. Kirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whatfly 0 Report post Posted May 18, 2015 I asked devaux and then told me that is these pcs are from swam. Cheers, lucian Maybe, maybe not. Sure doesn't look like a swan primary if you look at some of the online images, whereas it looks EXACTLY like Nature Spirit turkey biots. Regardless if true, you are paying too much. Just use turkey instead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuciV 0 Report post Posted May 19, 2015 I tie for more than 20 years and I presume that I'm able to make a difference between turkey and other feathers. These are longer and more stiffer than turkey. With a turkey biot you cannot tie on size 12, 10 or 8 hooks. probably those from wild turkey and only from big and old birds. Devaux don't have any business agreement with Nature Spirit and don't buy products from them. More than that Devaux started to use these feathers from 50 years ago, I think that Nature Spirit was not on the market in that time... cheers Lucian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whatfly 0 Report post Posted May 19, 2015 If you say so. Difficult to actually test if true because I suspect the product is illegal here (swans are protected, at least from hunting), and the difference is minor enough I would not bother. It is however quite easy to use turkey in larger patterns. No law says you can't just use more than one biot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flytire 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2015 no biots here on these substitutes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave G. 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2015 I like your flies ! I caught a bunch of trout Monday late afternoon, the tie was Chironamid emergers and the fish were rising everywhere on Chironamid midges.. The dominant hatch in there is about always size 18 chironamid midges in an almost charcoal grey to black. For years now I tie : A whisp of white antron yarn tied on the hook, with tag ends sticking out at both ends of the hook. Tie in a fine silver wire at the bend, wrap forward with very light, whispy amounts of dubbing ( black thread and black rabbit), spiral the wire forward and tie off. Two turns of 1 strand peacock herl at the collar. Size 18 hook. Sometimes I use either tan or white thread for the spiral instead of wire, sometimes I use no dubbing just thread ( mostly on 20 and 24 sized hooks). These things always always get me fish in midge hatches locally and especially that pond I was at.. No need to change it up, No need to get fancy materials. But I like your flies and if they work where you fish then all the better ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fisherboy0301 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2015 no biots here on these substitutes The third pic is biots.... Those subs look like dyed turkey tail to me. As many as I've killed I'd bet money that's what they were. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flytire 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2015 sorry but take a look at the 3rd photo again. there are NO biots Feather is bent looks like boots Fester fiber about same length either side of stem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cheech 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2015 sorry but take a look at the 3rd photo again. there are NO biots Feather is bent looks like boots Fester fiber about same length either side of stem Those are biots. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikechell 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2015 Flytire's feather is "tented" ... you're looking at one side and down the length of the other. It's not flat against the stem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piker20 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2015 I use the fibres from turkey tails for quite a few nymphs. They are not what I'd call a biot. They do make lovely bodies though. Lets all be honest, many many materials are overpriced in a different label. Cock of the rock sub is simply dyed pheasant feathers but over priced. These could easily be swan as swan is easy to buy from EU sources. As Lucian says, tying on a size 8 with standard goose or turkey biots isn't going to happen. Macaw feathers have some lovely length fibres but again, sourcing them is not simply or cheap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flytire 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2015 Whatever The "experts" win Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikechell 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2015 On your side, flytire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
