bellevue.chartreuse.trout 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2015 I meant no disrespect or malice here with my comments Orders of magnitude though usually contribute to significant differences in results - of anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikechell 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2015 Don't fret ... BCT. I believe everyone's in on the joking around. If they're not ... well, that would not be OUR problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flytire 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2015 not many brush makers have a spring on one end all you would be doing is stretching the spring until it broke off seem to me the wire would take a lot of spinning before it would break. by the time it does break the brush is finished Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kirk Dietrich 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2015 flytire, The brush maker I have has a spring, not sure about the many others but the first brush maker I saw plans for years ago had a screw on one side screwed down into the base not far from the twisting hook so the wire was attached to that hook, brought down to the other hook, looped around it and back to the tie in hook where it was looped around and not tied off but instead brought down under the screw head with a washer and a spring to push the washer down on the wire; as the other end was twisted, wire went up into the twists from under the spring loaded washer. Now, with the one I have, the hook attached to the metal dowel with the spring has approximately an inch or a little more of travel before it becomes tight. When I twist the brush, the spring compresses a full inch, maybe an inch and a half, and I continue twisting usually as you said until it pops. However, if the spring wasn't there to compress that inch, I believe the wire would pop before the entire brush was twisted up evenly. Some of this could depend on how long the machine is too. The shorter machine twists the entire brush at a pretty consistent and even rate and likely, when it pops, is twisted tight enough. On the longer machine which I have, if I turn only one end, it gets pretty tight while the other end with the spring still has some pretty loose twists. What I have done is to put a little wheel on the spring end dowel so I can twist that end as well, with both ends twisting, the middle is last to twist but with the cushion provided by the spring, the middle is tight enough before the wire pops from one of the ends. Kirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flytire 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2015 ok got pics? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kirk Dietrich 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2015 Norm, Here are pics of mine. I don't use the motor cause it twisted that end to quick. I'm trying to find the pdf file of the plans for that first small turner that I never did make with the screw. Kirk The giving end with spring. The set end originally meant to be the only turning side. Overall pic showing a tray I made. This machine is approx 16" long. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ditz2 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2015 I was not trying to come down on anyone either. My comment was just a good natured reminder that not all of us understand the aspects of small measurements and what they represent. The difficult thing for most of us is communicating emotion in our writing. No foul intended or understood. All is well here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SilverCreek 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2015 http://www.flytyingforum.com/index.php?showtopic=69587&hl http://www.flyanglersonline.com/bb/showthread.php?25384-Dubbing-Brush-Twisters-part-Duex http://www.flytyingforum.com/index.php?showtopic=71145 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
126lineman 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2015 Seems if a tier uses dubbing brushes a lot a Nor-Vise would be much simpler and take up less space. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flytire 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2015 takes up a bit of space to me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SilverCreek 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2015 Seems if a tier uses dubbing brushes a lot a Nor-Vise would be much simpler and take up less space. You can't just attach a wire to a post and to the vise. I seem to recall that there is a universal attachment that is sold to work with all rotary vises. It goes on the vise stem and has a flip up trough for the materials. You still have to build a stand along the wire to hold the materials so they don't drop from the wire before you begin spinning. Norvise already has one called the Norvise Dubbing Table. http://norvise.com/product/dubbing-brush-table/ Here's another one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flytire 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2015 make a simple dubbing loop on the hook, insert your dubbing between the two strands and twist away like your chubby checker wrap that brush around the shank and finish the fly go fishing. catch big fish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
126lineman 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2015 I'd like to see you tie a fly on a dubbing brush machine. The vise is already at your tying area, I don't get your point. A couple reference books stacked on top of each other that are also already at my tying area serve as a stand for the brush wire. Build a stand? Come on, get creative. I do like the Chubby Checker thing though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artimus001 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2015 I use very fine copper wire. It twists up nice, is small, and once it twists up, it will break off. It's about .000380 in diameter, and not strong at all. It was given to me (1/4 pound) by a guy who builds electric motors, but it's finer than I've seen in motors. i have some here fine copper wire that i use as well. i'll be getting a vernier on the weekend and will measure it then. i find that it breaks to easily. i've been doubling it up to try to reduce it from happening. i'm using a hand held Peti Paw with a cup hook glued it the end. could it be that it spins to fast? how fast does your spin Kirk? i do like the spring idea. and see it as a possible solution to my issue. i'll have to try and rig something up. i'm also going to give s.s. a go as well. i think one of the coolest spinners i've ever seen, was the one posted a month back. it used VCR heads at each end as fly wheels for spinning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flytire 0 Report post Posted June 11, 2015 126 reread my post I said nothing about a hook in a dubbing machine and you apparently don't know what a dubbing loop is. cmon get creative GOOGLE "dubbing loop" and search the results and images chubby checker now that was creative! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites