flytyerinpa 0 Report post Posted July 6, 2015 Hope I'm in the right forum for this question, every time I ask about cochie bon du necks or saddles ( hope that's spelled right ) I wind up with furnace hackle, so is cochie bon du a flute or a freak of nature ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rockworm 0 Report post Posted July 6, 2015 The coch-y-Bondhu is like a furnace with a bit of black along the edges. A Greenwell is like a furnace except with medium to dark ginger instead of brown. (I wonder what you'd call it if its like a Coch-y-Bondhu with ginger instead of brown?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mvendon 0 Report post Posted July 6, 2015 Hi flytyerinpa, It's not something that you want to order on a website or from a flyshop unless you call them and the person knows what a Coch-y-bondhu cape color is. The easiest way to tell is by looking at the feather tips on the cape. On a plain furnace or ginger cape, the tips will be the same shade as the middle color. On a Coch-y-bondhu cape, they will have black tips that are easy to see. Here's a pic of a few that I have that I took really quick after reading your post. Regards, Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flytyerinpa 0 Report post Posted July 6, 2015 Have to thank Rockworm for the correct spelling, and the correct description and Mvendon your 100% correct on the description my only problem is finding them when you live in Hicksville with no fly tying stores near by what can I say Cabalas is about 30 miles away but personally I'm not a fan, just don't think they carry quality stuff. So I save all my pennies and go to the fly tying show in NJ where I buy 99% of my needs, but still the Coch-y-Bondhu eludes me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rockworm 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2015 As far as I know, the "genetic cape"-breeders don't yet have a handle on the Coch-y-Bondhu genes. Probably because the market hasn't demanded them. All of mine are Indian capes sourced out of Great Britain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crackaig 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2015 You can't spell Coch-y-Bondhu or Coch-y-Bonddu wrong! Even the Welsh don't agree on the correct spelling! The hackle is so called as it is the hackle used on the Coch-y-Bondhu fly, a beetle imitation. (Gold tag, peacock herl body, hackle usually size 12 or 14). In A Dictionary of Trout Flies Courtney Williams explains that he has a letter from Cannon Greenwell in his own hand, in which the good Cannon gives the dressing for his fly. The hackle is given as Coch-y-Bondhu. It isn't so much of a freak as just a variation. If you get a natural black cape you will find many of the feathers have a touch of colour on the fibres between the centre list and the tips. Coch-y-Bondhu is just a lighter variation of that, with more colour. If the people you are asking are not familiar with the name Coch-y-Bondhu, try specifying it by description. A predominantly red game hackle with black centre and tips. They are available, I once managed to get hold of a Whiting's saddle in Coch-y-Bondhu. They don't recognise it as a colour, I had to explain to the shop what I was looking for and wait until they found one. Cheers, C. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam Saarinen 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2015 I bought a cape a few years ago that looks exactly like the one on the left of mvendons picture, some new capes had just come in the shop, there were 3 of those, i bought 1 & the next time i was in the shop the other 2 had gone already! I really like the look of the feathers but the label only reads whitingfarms.com American Rooster Cape Brown? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites