Crackaig 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2015 Talking with a friend, who deals a lot with Turrels, I have found out that India has listed the peacock as endangered. This is already causing supply problems. Turrels have had flies that were in transit at the time to the US turned back by customs, because they contain peacock, despite that peacock being purchased before the listing. Umpqua are also said to be having problems. It looks like time to stock up. One thing is sure. The price will rise. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but best to give you all the heads up. Cheers, C. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam Saarinen 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2015 Thanks! Misses told me yesturday there is a white albiino peacock at the bird park here in Turku! Have to go & have a look & just maybe the care taker will give me the feathers from the ground? If not, money talks!:-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swamp Fly 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2015 Great, certified "no birds died to make these flies" tags are in the works I'm sure. They are running around wild here. The little buggers like to stand on the road. They are beautiful birds but between the mess and noise they are a pain in the fundament. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam Saarinen 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2015 The mess and noise! Yep, my father was given two young birds years ago in Australia, he kept them for a few years on the farm, just when he was getting sick of them, the pitbull killed one, so he shot the other one & his problem was solved! They have a huge flower vase in their house full of all the tail feathers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Bob LeMay 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2015 We have them down here in south Florida both the ones being raised and tended and ones that just live wild. If you've ever been near any peacocks they make such a racket that I can easily see how they'd be a serious nuisance.... For me at least I still have around two ounces of strung and bundled herl - I long ago quit using the plumes since they were just too slow to use for production work. I only have a few saltwater patterns that utilize peacock herl so I definitely have a lifetime supply of the stuff. I'm sure this will be difficult for freshwater tyers though.... For those who aren't familiar with what a restriction or prohibition can do to fly manufacturers the resulting government action can be so severe that it makes it impossible to even think about using whatever natural material is involved... I once proposed a pattern to Umpqua that had a wing of black bear hair (fully legal in the US and Canada). The restrictions on any bear associated items are so severe internationally that they just laughed at the idea of using black bear for any fly..... All because of the oriental "medicinal" use of bear parts.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piker20 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2015 Well have to speak to Michael and stock up on some full skins! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikechell 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2015 Hmmmmm I am going to start tying with peacock, so I can then quit tying when they become fully protected. I have some really crappy herls from the kit I got decades ago. I rarely ever tie with it. At this time, only the Green Peacock is endangered ... the two other species are on the decline, though. Since Peacocks are raised domestically, I think there will always be a source for tail feathers, since they can be harvested after the breeding season without killing the birds. But, the prices will sky rocket. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crackaig 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2015 Well Colin, if we do, we should do it over 2 or 3 years. There is one dominant male, who will not tolerate the others having any tail. Take him first then hopefully two will grow theirs next year. I have spoken with him, and he would be only too happy to see the back of them. Trouble is they are his mothers. A mate of mine has a full skin, the problem is getting it off him. Cheers, C. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaFly 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2015 I'm not sure I appreciate why "crappy herls" are just fine if you're using them to build up a body. I mentioned several months ago that there are feather dusters made of peacock plumes readily available. When I found some, I sorted through to find the ones in best shape and bought them. More than I'll ever need in a lifetime. One is dark, brown and black, and the other very light grey (not white). I don't tie salmon flies or anything where I need to use them as wings or tails, so I'm fine with what I got. I can see an issue if a bird/animal becomes nearly "extinct" in one country but not even close in others, if that country can declare them endangered, resulting in chaos in the world's fly industry. It would be like, say, Canada declaring grey squirrels to be endangered. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonV 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2015 I have a hard time seeing this affecting the domestic price on feathers. I can buy peacock fowl from a variety of breeders in the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rockworm 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2015 I'm not sure I appreciate why "crappy herls" are just fine if you're using them to build up a body. I mentioned several months ago that there are feather dusters made of peacock plumes readily available. When I found some, I sorted through to find the ones in best shape and bought them. More than I'll ever need in a lifetime. One is dark, brown and black, and the other very light grey (not white). I don't tie salmon flies or anything where I need to use them as wings or tails, so I'm fine with what I got. I can see an issue if a bird/animal becomes nearly "extinct" in one country but not even close in others, if that country can declare them endangered, resulting in chaos in the world's fly industry. It would be like, say, Canada declaring grey squirrels to be endangered. I don't think I have ever seen a peacock feather duster. Nor peacock feathers that are "dark, brown and black" or "very light gray." Are you sure these dusters weren't ostrich? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaydub 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2015 I have a hard time seeing this affecting the domestic price on feathers. I can buy peacock fowl from a variety of breeders in the US. Yup, there are lots of domestic breeders with lots of birds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaFly 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2015 You're right.... they're ostrich. Only peacock I've had either came in a beginners kit or from Michael's. I use it so little that I still have most of what came from the kit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crackaig 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2015 I have a hard time seeing this affecting the domestic price on feathers. I can buy peacock fowl from a variety of breeders in the US. You know what markets are like. Any excuse. Cheers, C. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
troutguy 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2015 THe small animal auction Friday always has peacock and peahens. Should I cash out my 401k and buy peacock? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
