Gurgler Tutorial YouTube Video

[vicente 0]

Nice video I prefer to put my flash under the other two materials on floating flys instead of on top the fish can see more of it but that's just preference. I'll have to try trying one with the loop instead of double stacking the foam.

[thursthouse 0]

I have a sneaking suspicion that McFly is posting under FlatsRoamer.. haha nice video - will definitely be trying this version come next spring for some local bass

[Poopdeck 0]

I have to ask this, because I am truly wondering what is the definition of a gurgler (sic).

There is the "Gartside Gurgler" (sic) ... but is that the ONLY gurgler (sic) pattern?

Does that mean that EVERY other gurgler (sic) that is not tied EXACTLY like the original is NOT a gurgler (sic) at all?

Do we have to label every gurgler (sic) pattern as a "Gartside Gurgler" (sic) variant?

Is every gurgler (sic) tied, automatically a badly tied "Gartside Gurgler" (sic) if it's not labeled as a "variant"?

 

Flats, I don't always agree with your (sorry, but you are a newbie) opinions and interjections on various topics ... but in this, I think you're fine, since you didn't call it a "Gartside Gurgler" (sic). Leaving the "Gartside" name off, makes it a variant.

 

Sorry for typing in gurgler (sic) so often. But gurgler (sic) is not actually a word, so it is grammatically correct.

To the best of my knowledge there was no such pattern called a gurgler prior to Gartside creating the pattern and naming it the gurgler. So wether or not you call it a gurgler or a Gartside gurgler it's the same thing with or without the name of the creator attached. Anything else is a variant in the same vain as a Clouser minnow. That big loop of foam, in my opinion, is more then a variant. It is a completely different pattern with completely different movement in the water and I will assume it casts like crap. The ease of casting the gurgler is one of the reasons I like to fish a gurgler. If you have ever fished a gurgler, I assume flats has not or has fished it very little, there is absolutely no reason to modify it outside of new materials. It is a pattern that is time tested and proven. To call that a gurgler is misleading to new tyers who want to tie and fish what is normally a time tested and proven fly.

[flytire 0]

^bingo^

 

 

here is how ive seen jack gartside tie it at different shows

 

[Brodrash 0]

I've come to the conclusion that Flytire is actually the most interesting man in the world, and he sits at home records himself and makes these gif's, because he has one for every situation. LOL

 

EDIT: He got rid of the gif but I still think its him LOL

[flytire 0]

nope not me

 

heres the "new" most interesting man in the world

 

 

French Actor Augustin Legrand Replaces Jonathan Goldsmith

[Brodrash 0]

What happened to the old one? I liked him better haha

[flytire 0]

he is on a one way trip to Mars. it was in his last commercial

[cheech 0]

 

I have to ask this, because I am truly wondering what is the definition of a gurgler (sic).

There is the "Gartside Gurgler" (sic) ... but is that the ONLY gurgler (sic) pattern?

Does that mean that EVERY other gurgler (sic) that is not tied EXACTLY like the original is NOT a gurgler (sic) at all?

Do we have to label every gurgler (sic) pattern as a "Gartside Gurgler" (sic) variant?

Is every gurgler (sic) tied, automatically a badly tied "Gartside Gurgler" (sic) if it's not labeled as a "variant"?

 

Flats, I don't always agree with your (sorry, but you are a newbie) opinions and interjections on various topics ... but in this, I think you're fine, since you didn't call it a "Gartside Gurgler" (sic). Leaving the "Gartside" name off, makes it a variant.

 

Sorry for typing in gurgler (sic) so often. But gurgler (sic) is not actually a word, so it is grammatically correct.

To the best of my knowledge there was no such pattern called a gurgler prior to Gartside creating the pattern and naming it the gurgler. So wether or not you call it a gurgler or a Gartside gurgler it's the same thing with or without the name of the creator attached. Anything else is a variant in the same vain as a Clouser minnow. That big loop of foam, in my opinion, is more then a variant. It is a completely different pattern with completely different movement in the water and I will assume it casts like crap. The ease of casting the gurgler is one of the reasons I like to fish a gurgler. If you have ever fished a gurgler, I assume flats has not or has fished it very little, there is absolutely no reason to modify it outside of new materials. It is a pattern that is time tested and proven. To call that a gurgler is misleading to new tyers who want to tie and fish what is normally a time tested and proven fly.

 

This is waaaay too harsh man. Simply calling it a variation is perfectly acceptable. The "loop" of foam actually improves a lot of flies that are tied "gurgler" style especially if the tyer wants the bug to sit higher in the water. I typically do it with 4mm foam and add a loop. The flies cast great and fish great, in fact, the picture that Flytire just posted has the "loop" in the back of the foam that is much more exaggerated than the original.

 

As far as there being no reason to modify it... I have tied them to be anything from mice to frogs, and subtle modifications to the original were the difference between fish and no fish.

[Poopdeck 0]

It's not meant to be harsh. It's one mans opinion on what a gurgler is or is not. To me it's not a gurgler. I think there is nothing to learn if everybody simply says great video keep posting them. Why asks for critiques if this is the case. I spent a few decades in the military where our AAR's had to include the good and the bad. For every good there was always a bad, or something that needed improvement. It's the only way to learn and you can't feel negatives are a bad thing.

 

I fish gurglers a lot. They are why I rarely make and fish poppers anymore. I have never found smallmouths, what I use them most for, to be that selective on top. Im sure they will get hit but I doubt they will get hit when a gurgler won't. Personally I don't see how the loop of foam could cause it to ride higher in the water since the added height of foam would not even effect the buoyancy since all or at least a large portion of the added foam is not in the water. If anything it only looks higher in the water simply because the fly has more height. I would also think, if the added foam is in the water it is doing nothing for added buoyancy but is actually pushing the bottom of the fly deeper into the water causing a lower riding fly. I would also think the splash or movement in the water is more effected by the stiffness of the head rather then how much foam is tied on top or how high or low it rides in the water. There is simply no way it has the same aerodynamics as a true gurgler. No way no how with that big air catching loop and twice the amount of foam. Just one mans opinion who is not saying I'm right and your wrong.

 

The OP asks for critiques. I gave him one mans opinion, he can choose to take something away from it or he may disregard it, block me and never respond. It does not matter to me. I like to tell kids what I think they need to hear as compared to what they want to hear. I think it's a great video but I also thinks he needs to become more of a subject matter expert on the patterns he is putting out there presumably so others can learn fly tying. Again, just one mans humble opinion.

[Dave G. 0]

I'm new to tying with foam this year so I don't mind the commentary.

[cheech 0]

It's not meant to be harsh. It's one mans opinion on what a gurgler is or is not. To me it's not a gurgler. I think there is nothing to learn if everybody simply says great video keep posting them. Why asks for critiques if this is the case. I spent a few decades in the military where our AAR's had to include the good and the bad. For every good there was always a bad, or something that needed improvement. It's the only way to learn and you can't feel negatives are a bad thing.

 

I fish gurglers a lot. They are why I rarely make and fish poppers anymore. I have never found smallmouths, what I use them most for, to be that selective on top. Im sure they will get hit but I doubt they will get hit when a gurgler won't. Personally I don't see how the loop of foam could cause it to ride higher in the water since the added height of foam would not even effect the buoyancy since all or at least a large portion of the added foam is not in the water. If anything it only looks higher in the water simply because the fly has more height. I would also think, if the added foam is in the water it is doing nothing for added buoyancy but is actually pushing the bottom of the fly deeper into the water causing a lower riding fly. I would also think the splash or movement in the water is more effected by the stiffness of the head rather then how much foam is tied on top or how high or low it rides in the water. There is simply no way it has the same aerodynamics as a true gurgler. No way no how with that big air catching loop and twice the amount of foam. Just one mans opinion who is not saying I'm right and your wrong.

 

The OP asks for critiques. I gave him one mans opinion, he can choose to take something away from it or he may disregard it, block me and never respond. It does not matter to me. I like to tell kids what I think they need to hear as compared to what they want to hear. I think it's a great video but I also thinks he needs to become more of a subject matter expert on the patterns he is putting out there presumably so others can learn fly tying. Again, just one mans humble opinion.

I gave you my opinion too... I think you are being way too harsh! I say modify it at will, and those modification need more foam at times. This being said, I realize that you are judging the effectiveness of a gurgler based on your (one person's) opinion.

 

Here is another thing... If fish eat worms, why are we continually trying to "modify" our catching techniques?

[FlatsRoamer 0]

Guys, I do read all the responses and try to use them. Don't feel like I just skip over the "negative" ones. Yeah, I don't always agree, but this is a forum, a discussion place. I do respectfully disagree but that doesn't mean I hate you or I'm going to block you...

[mikechell 0]

Don't take offense, Flats, but the conversation hasn't been about you since post #33.

[Dave G. 0]

I hope this isn't the point where we start all facing SE with the wind coming out of the SE and try and take a leak.