Dave G. 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2016 Yes, in my experience pinch take a turn or two, pull down and wrap forward, if you need more thread to cover your tracks like I always do, wrap back but not past your first wrap. End at your next tie in ( like for collars etc) or whip. Just sayin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redietz 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2016 As far as I can tell after reading all the posts the way to stop the quill slips from separating is to not put any thread wraps behind your pinch wrap. Am I getting it or still missing something? Bingo! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lesg 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2016 Funny how I can make the same mistake so many times without catching on lol. A very small change to solve a problem !! Thanks everyone. Les Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
j8000 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2016 Best two so far. Size 12 and size 16 extra long. Still got work to do. Concerned about the tag leagth, head and hackle alignment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lesg 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2016 What I'm trying to achieve !! I haven't fished traditional wets since I was a kid dragging one behind a small spinner on our local creeks but lately got interested in tying them. They worked then so why not now? Tight lines everyone. Les Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rstaight 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2016 I would fish any of the flies pictured. A lot of folks stress proportion, I would work on consistency, When you can tie a dozen that look the same then work on proportion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
j8000 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2016 That's good advise. Both of those are definitely going in the fly box. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave G. 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2016 That's good advise. Both of those are definitely going in the fly box. Those will catch fish. I'd look to shorten the head up a little bit. The tags you mentioned, just be real careful wrapping them, count your turns and watch to not get them out of order so they lay down one beside the other. And it becomes repeatable.. It looks like you could use some thinner thread. But none of this has to do with them catching fish, they will catch fish ! I've seem some of my least consistent flies be the ones that get the fish, more than once. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mvendon 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2016 For fishing fly's, make sure that your wings are tied with the cupped/concave side facing inward, the more shiny side of the feather out. If you have them even closely matched after mounting, but not perfect, you won't have to worry about them spinning as much since the wing will be more narrow and even in relation to the hook shank. They look much nicer tied the other way, especially married quills, but they just won't fish as good unless the wing is almost flawless as far as being even, curved the same on both sides etc. Eric Austin has a really good tutorial on his site on mounting them this way here . Regards, Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flytire 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2016 there are 4 methods of tying on wet fly wings. use the method that best accomplishes your goals https://donbastianwetflies.com/2011/03/08/wet-fly-wing-mounting-methods/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hatchet Jack 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2016 dont worry about marrying the feathers for now the example i provided was for the wing itself and can be made without marrying feathers learn the simplest first. it takes many many attempts to get the wing right. use 2/3 the the gap of the hook for the width of the wing. that was taught to me by the master himself, don bastian if its not right dont continue. unwrap the thread or start over. practice practice practice leadwing coachman Inspiring! Need to tie up some of these flies. A very nicely done video & Lead Wing Coachman. I watched Matt cut the slips close by the quill & I'm assuming his thread wraps falling on the slips are 'above' this bloodline mentioned prior? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flat Rock native 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2016 there are 4 methods of tying on wet fly wings. use the method that best accomplishes your goals https://donbastianwetflies.com/2011/03/08/wet-fly-wing-mounting-methods/ If seeing these doesn't juice you up to Tying a few...not sure anything will. I will take those 4 to test-drive on clear Big Horn waters ASAP. These have classy, bit understated elegance to them. Post more anytime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
j8000 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2016 Interesting. I read about the different ways to tie on wings. However, Marks explanations was not mentioned. That does make a lot of sense. Perhaps I'll try the concave method tonight. Head improvement is on my list, although, I don't know if I'll use head cement on them or not. All the pictures I've seen always seems to have them cemented. Maybe I'll order some and cement them as it may be more pertinent for winged flies compared to nymphs I've ties and fished with time and time again with them holding up just fine. Smaller thread, 8/0 is on my next list for supplies. The smallest flies I tie are a size 18 griffens gnat. everything else is size 16 through 10 with an occasional 8. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave G. 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2016 Interesting. I read about the different ways to tie on wings. However, Marks explanations was not mentioned. That does make a lot of sense. Perhaps I'll try the concave method tonight. Head improvement is on my list, although, I don't know if I'll use head cement on them or not. All the pictures I've seen always seems to have them cemented. Maybe I'll order some and cement them as it may be more pertinent for winged flies compared to nymphs I've ties and fished with time and time again with them holding up just fine. Smaller thread, 8/0 is on my next list for supplies. The smallest flies I tie are a size 18 griffens gnat. everything else is size 16 through 10 with an occasional 8. Head cement is optional, but rather than order anything in , why not pop into your local pharmacy or ( or any store with a beauty department) and get yourself a bottle of Sally's Hard as Nails, or any other clear nail polish top coat. Basically the same thing as head cement, even comes with a brush attached to the cap. I use mostly 8/0, 6/0, 70D or 140D threads , for size 18 generally either 8/0 or 6/0 will work, depending on the brand. I use a lot of Danville 6/0 though, it sort of crosses bridges pretty well LOL ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
j8000 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2016 Sally's is nail polish!!! ha, ha!!! That is why I couldn't find it in any of the fly tying sites!!! Boy, glad I'm on the beginners section. Might break into my wife's make up bag first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites