Law vise copy

[barrytheguide 0]

I recently found reference to a vise that looked very much like the LAW vise, it was not the CAE vise but another that was being sold for about $1000. Can anybody help,with information on this vise?

[wileecoyote 0]

Hi Barry, Belive you are refering to the Pro Vice which can be found on the Vertual Nymph web site.

 

[petelangevin 0]

Cae engineering was advertising a law clone for a while, not sure if the pro vise is from the same guy or another mfg. 1175gbp is quite a lot for a clone,

[barrytheguide 0]

Thanks, that is the one I had seen previously. It looks like a total clone of the Lawrence Walden vice, but at that price it's way to expensive. If it were $500 I would be in for one, but I think they are cashing in on the absurd prices of the real thing. For the life of me I can't figure out why Lawrence Waldron does not just license somebody to build his vices. I've got to say that even some of the Chinese engineering is pretty damn good.

[hhockeyy 0]

If you are still thinking about the CAE, you should bite the bullet and get it. I have both the CAE and the LAW. I've used the CAE for close to 2 years now and it recently spent 2 days (by accident) at the bottom of a salt-water-filled hull. No corrosion at all apart from some stains. Still works great. I mainly tie on the CAE and occasionally the law when I am tying #10 and larger.

[SILKHDH 0]

I made this vise myself. I contacted Mr. Walden and asked to produce a vise like this with his blessing. This was back in the "Lawrence is quitting" rumor days. I REPEAT RUMOR!!!!!!!! He told me personally in a letter, HE NEVER SAID HE WAS STOPPING THE PRODUCTION OF THE LAW VISE, just taking it easy for a while from the work load.

He made it clear to me ,he would not appreciate me making this vise. With respect to HIS design I did NOT produce this vise. BOOM!! Out come the copy cat slugs. To the people who are making the PRO VISE. I think that is about the sickest form of copying another's mans design I've ever seen. If Lawrence isn't getting some kind of royalty on the sales of that vise, then they are stealing from him. PERIOD!!!!!! AND, anyone supporting the sale of that vise is too. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!

Personally, I don't think that's cool at all. In a different letter Lawrence told me that the CAE vise was basically boo'd from some symposium in UK once. It appears that the public did not appreciate CAE copying the LAW vise design. What rattled me was the way the CAE designer wrote on his site, and I quote "My fly tying vise is an instrument which has been produced after many hours of development and research work done in conjunction with an experienced fly tier". WHAT A BUNCH OF BULL S@&T!! He simply copied a LAW vise. Oh boy, he changed from white delrin to blue delrin on the main body. He must be some kind of "IDIOT" if it took him many hours of development and research to simply copy some one else's design. Yea, I said it. "IDIOT". I designed and drew a complete set of drawings and made mine in a couple weeks after work. LOL.. I am a mechanical engineer and see people copy my designs in the plastic industry all the time. I have nothing good to say about a design thief. That is exactly what they BOTH are. THIEFS! They take from the person that did "ALL" the work.

 

P.S. I appreciate the compliments I get on this vise , but No I will not be able to make you one. I've been asked by people in nine different countries (yes nine different countries) not counting the U.S. to make them a vise and still being asked too. THOW SHALT NOT STEAL!!! It's a commandment people. What these people are doing is wrong ,in my opinion. Please, no free enterprises lectures either. That's not free enterprise. That's flat out design copying (theft) and it's bull s@#t! If you haven't figured it out by now, this kind of robbery REALLY pisses me off. Before you reply to me saying "that's exactly what you(I) did", please re-read the second sentence at the top of my post. Thank you!

[Piker20 0]

Well said.

[SILKHDH 0]

Friken huge High-Five to Piker20. Thank you brother.

I noticed on the PRO VISE site they say, and I quote, "This IS the worlds best vise",(it should say copied from the worlds best vise) "Made by Formula One Ferrari Engineers". No mention of Lawrence Walden's efforts at all. NOT ONE FRIKEN WORD!!!!! THAT'S A LIE AND THEY ARE STEALING!!! PERIOD!!!! WOW, Formula One Ferrari Engineers. Really? SO Lawrence Walden is a Ferrari engineer? My apologies to Lawrence. That isn't right at all. AND IT SHOULDN'T BE SUPPORTED!! By any of us!!!! Unless Lawrence gets a cut. DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE OTHERS DO UNTO YOU. How would YOU feel? I can imagine how Mr. Walden feels.

Flattered, but upset, I would assume.

[barrytheguide 0]

Friken huge High-Five to Piker20. Thank you brother.

I noticed on the PRO VISE site they say, and I quote, "This IS the worlds best vise",(it should say copied from the worlds best vise) "Made by Formula One Ferrari Engineers". No mention of Lawrence Walden's efforts at all. NOT ONE FRIKEN WORD!!!!! THAT'S A LIE AND THEY ARE STEALING!!! PERIOD!!!! WOW, Formula One Ferrari Engineers. Really? SO Lawrence Walden is a Ferrari engineer? My apologies to Lawrence. That isn't right at all. AND IT SHOULDN'T BE SUPPORTED!! By any of us!!!! Unless Lawrence gets a cut. DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE OTHERS DO UNTO YOU. How would YOU feel? I can imagine how Mr. Walden feels.

Flattered, but upset, I would assume.

I don't quite understand, you rant on about illegal copies of the LAW vice yet you made one yourself.

If Lawrrence Waldron will not authorize someone to manufacture his design how can you blame anyone for making a copy.

How do you know that CAE engineering and others are not paying royalties to Mr Waldron?

I would like to know what is so good about the LAW vice? I would like to try one simply because of the long narrow jaws leaving a nice long area behind the tip of the jaws unobstructed. It's negative is that it is not a true rotorary vice i.e. It cannot be set to have the shank of the hook to rotate about its axis.

At least one of the "copies" is very expensive another is £1000 and the CAE around £700.

Ian still very curios what makes a LAW so good, I've been told that it will tie from a midge sized hooks to large Salmon irons. My Renzetti will do that and is a true rotary. I have the Master.

I recently wrote to Mr Waldron to see if he was willing to make one for me, but his reply indicated he wasn't ever going to make another.

But please, don't criticize others for making a copy when you did yourself

[vicente 0]

I also am with Barry on this I personally don't understand how making copies is stealing since there's is no intent to make another. If law vises were still being made than yes I understand how that would be theft however if the maker is no longer making so no money from them is going to him making one certainly isn't taking money from his pockets.

[mikechell 0]

Silk obviously has a very high emotional level on this. To prevent this thread from breaking down into a fight, I'll ask that this thread be locked.

[Flat Rock native 0]

Silk obviously has a very high emotional level on this. To prevent this thread from breaking down into a fight, I'll ask that this thread be locked.

Good time for all to use your Right to Remain Silent guys.... Too speculative.....

[barrytheguide 0]

I personally all I want to know is what makes the LAW so good as to be thousands? I've never tried one so I can't comment. But I will add if it's worth the money they sell for why did Mr Waldron stop manufacturing them? My guess is that it wasn't selling so well a few years ago at a price that was double of its competitors, but please let's hear from owners and not just pretty pictures!

And please no disguised cussing.