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There has been a lot of questions and some OLD answers in the thread on International Shipping and Swapping but all the information was outdated or misunderstood as to how it applies to present day postage.


For International swapping I have found the simplest way is for the Swapmeister to let you know what the postage is going to cost on his end to return your flies and you can paypal him the costs. You can guesstimate the postage cost on return and include that with your flies but cash is always a scary thing to send, especially overseas. When an overseas Swapmeister finds out the cost of returning flies it is well within his rights to hold flies until he is compensated. When our Australian friend sends flies back it is around $12-$14 dollars and he should not be responsible for bearing this cost times 12 and hoping he gets reimbursed.


Let's use this thread, which I will not lock, to examine better ways to handle overseas swapping. I do not think return coupons are available anymore from what I could make of the present outdated post but I'm not sure of this. I also do not know if any countries would honor or exchange American stamps if you sent them. Let's hear some good info on options other than paypal, though that does work as well as anything since virtually everyone today uses it for it's convenience and protection, though the protection does not apply if you use "Friends and Family" instead of purchasing goods and F&F should be legitimate for our use.

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face book pay works as well also free money transfers directly to your account, the down side is you have to give Facebook your debit card info.

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When I was hosting swaps US dollars came my way and I could use these in the swaps I joined but uk-us postage cost and a couple of missing packages got too ridiculous to justify it for me anymore

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Ok, i have participated in several international swaps and have always thought that these should be dual swaps in conjuction with a US swap to cut down on postage. For example- US Swapmeister would hold a swap at the same time as International Swapmeister and both would have the same participants, everyone tie enough flies for both swaps and send to US Swapmeister and then I would send everyones flies to International Swapmeister. Everyone from the swaps would probably only have to pay $5 each via paypal to US Swapmeister

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huh? this higher math seems a bit fuzzy. so the international swapmeister is left paying for the entire postage to send back to the USA?

 

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seems easier to just stick with a simple paypal reimbursement to the international swapmeister for actual return postage

 

why make it harder than it really needs to be

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No, the international swapmeister would get an estimate and send to US Swapmeister and all participants would split cost. So let me break it down for you- 2 estimates ( 1 from US to Intl destination and 1 from Intl to US) lets say that to semd 12 sets of flies is $25 each way that would be $50 total for 2 swaps worth of flies and 12 people would split the $50.

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atx, your idea, while having some merit, assumes that the "international" SM would have the same number of tiers in that Country. But it doesn't seem to be that way, very often.

Lets say, when Americans, Aussies and Norwegians are all participating ... three swaps with 12 people in each Country participating?

 

I don't know what it takes to accept money from PayPal ... but that does seem to be the easiest answer.

Swapmeisters, perhaps, should be required to have PayPal, if it doesn't cost anything.

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I kind of agree with Bigfoot on this one atx. If two Swapmeisters from two countries wanted to give your idea a go I'd be fine with it through our board but would watch it closely to see how it worked. Seems to be bringing more responsibility into the game and increases the chances of someone dropping the ball along the way.

 

Mike, paypal does charge for purchases either from businesses or Classified sales items but they also have a gift version of sending money without charging and since this is not a purchase I think it is within the guidelines of paypal to use the no charge option. On the other board I mod I just deleted a bunch of items in Classified from a member of board who specifically said to use "Friends and family" in paypal to pay for items so he wouldn't incur their charges. This is against paypal rules and also the rules of our Classified section.

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just let the international swapmeister decide how to run his/her own swap and how to manage the return postage

 

its worked so far so why try to reinvent the wheel

 

how many international swaps per year does this forum have?

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I've run swaps on FAOL in the past and I seem to remember that there is something that you can obtain through the post office for international mailings.  I want to say the name is  an international postal voucher.  That's not quite the name, but it is a voucher that is recognized across countries boarders and can be purchased at any countries postal provider.  I used to use this when I was MUCH younger to purchase stamps for my collection.  I'm sorry I can't be of more assistance but I hadn't used these since the 70's (and I was much younger then!

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