SBPatt 0 Report post Posted September 11, 2020 1 hour ago, jamieofthenorth said: Debutante variation, size 10. Crowded the head a little on this one and some others in the batch. Any criticisms are welcome. What did you use for the tail? Looks like golden pheasant body feather. Regards, Scott Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamieofthenorth 0 Report post Posted September 11, 2020 1 hour ago, SBPatt said: What did you use for the tail? Looks like golden pheasant body feather. Regards, Scott Saddle hackle fibers, though golden pheasant did cross my mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandan 0 Report post Posted September 11, 2020 1 hour ago, chugbug27 said: Knock em out Same my brother! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
niveker 0 Report post Posted September 11, 2020 9 hours ago, jamieofthenorth said: Debutante variation, I'm no pro, definitely on the bottom third group of this site, but aside from what you mentioned, I would try to improve it by: - decreasing the tail length - keeping the tail fibers positioned on the top of the hook - creating an even taper to the body - increasing the gauge of the rib wire (making it smaller) - spacing the shoulder hackle more evenly Also, from the bit I've read of this pattern, the thorax should be darker than the body, using peacock herl or similar. Just MHO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBPatt 0 Report post Posted September 12, 2020 October Caddis Muddler A basic, simple one I found here. Tied the head/collar a bit fuller than the original for a little more floatation. hook - Dai Riki 899 #8 thread - UTC 140 black rib - small wire gold body - tinsel gold thorax - dubbing (loop) hot orange collar/head - deer hair Regards, Scott Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JSzymczyk 0 Report post Posted September 12, 2020 Pattern/style which has proven itself. Size 10 and 6 seem to cover things. I have to think that it suggests a small crayfish on the waters I've fished it. Gotta say though, in 40 years I have never seen an orange crayfish (which was not cooked). Orange has been working. Absolutely no need to add the barred ginger hackle sides, but on the bigger flies I think it just looks better. I tie flies for me to like as much as for the fish to like. Lead eyes, fine cut silicone tail, spanflex body, craft fur wing, root beer krystal flash. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamieofthenorth 0 Report post Posted September 12, 2020 10 hours ago, niveker said: I'm no pro, definitely on the bottom third group of this site, but aside from what you mentioned, I would try to improve it by: - decreasing the tail length - keeping the tail fibers positioned on the top of the hook - creating an even taper to the body - increasing the gauge of the rib wire (making it smaller) - spacing the shoulder hackle more evenly Also, from the bit I've read of this pattern, the thorax should be darker than the body, using peacock herl or similar. Just MHO. Good feedback, thanks niveker! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Bob LeMay 0 Report post Posted September 12, 2020 J... that clouser style "crawfish" in orange would very likely make a great bonefish fly for mudding bones (bonefish stir up the bottom when groups of them grub the bottom for food in just a bit deeper waters than the usual tailing depths - all you do is target the mud since you rarely see the fish stirring things up...). That pattern would also make a great redfish fly in a bit larger size, starting with a #2 on up to about a 1/0. Like many that I know I've long regarded the clouser as more of a tying style than a specific pattern... Here's one of a few different ones that I used to tie for local shops down here in south Florida - it's meant specifically for Peacock Bass... They're done up on a #4 hook... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bdngrd 0 Report post Posted September 12, 2020 I did not expect this pattern to be difficult, but to get it just right is a challenge! My next few I will focus on better separation of the colors, less bucktail for a more sparse look, more even tinsel wraps, and a smaller head. Wish me luck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chugbug27 0 Report post Posted September 12, 2020 🤞 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bdngrd 0 Report post Posted September 12, 2020 Second attempt... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBPatt 0 Report post Posted September 12, 2020 47 minutes ago, bdngrd said: Second attempt... Nice fly. Regards, Scott Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBPatt 0 Report post Posted September 12, 2020 Claret Muddler hook - WFC Model 6 #6 thread - Veevus 6/0 black tail - deer hair dyed claret (1 Tbs Rit Wine/1 cup water) rib - small wire gold body - dubbing claret body hackle - grizzly dyed claret shoulder - deer hair dyed orange collar/head - deer hair dyed claret Regards, Scott Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bdngrd 0 Report post Posted September 12, 2020 Black nose dace Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Hat 0 Report post Posted September 12, 2020 10 hours ago, Capt Bob LeMay said: J... that clouser style "crawfish" in orange would very likely make a great bonefish fly for mudding bones (bonefish stir up the bottom when groups of them grub the bottom for food in just a bit deeper waters than the usual tailing depths - all you do is target the mud since you rarely see the fish stirring things up...). That pattern would also make a great redfish fly in a bit larger size, starting with a #2 on up to about a 1/0. Like many that I know I've long regarded the clouser as more of a tying style than a specific pattern... Here's one of a few different ones that I used to tie for local shops down here in south Florida - it's meant specifically for Peacock Bass... They're done up on a #4 hook... I was thinking the same thing! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites