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#16 sniksoh

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Posted 28 January 2011 - 04:46 PM

are thos the actuall "fly lipps" product or do you make your own?
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 05:16 PM

How do you dye the chamois? What dyes do you use? Doesn't it get stiff when you dye it? I've dyed many things but never tried dyeing chamois. dunno.gif

#18 Fly Samurai

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 09:25 AM

sniksoh, They are the actual FlyLipps, carving or making them on a fly-to-fly basis is very difficult. And it is also difficult to control the consistency of of both quality and angle.

tidewaterfly, Many dyes will stiffen suedes and chamois. But I have found that anilin dyes do not. The chamois remains supple with the anilins. I use a brand called Fiebing, they make a whole series of dyes called suede and rough out dyes, about $7.00 for a 4oz bottle. This amount of dye will color several dozens of tails. I bought a bottle of red, yellow, blue, black, and green. I am a visual artist by trade so I am very comfortable mixing colors. I bought the green rather than mixing yellow and blue, as it is easier to get chartreuse by mix large amounts of yellow with small amounts of green. The only problem is getting a white. The company generously sent me a small sample of white acrylic dye, but is actually little more than thin acrylic paint and results in a stiffening of the chamois. I also have used the Rit fabric dyes in liquid form, straight from the bottle. This works ok, but not as rich nor as permanent as the Fiebing anilin dyes. I have gotten into creating some beautiful mottled tails using wet into wet dying techniques. I will post a photo with one of these tails when I get the chance to take one.

#19 tidewaterfly

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 10:26 AM

Thank you for the reply & information! thumbsup.gif

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 12:10 PM

Will permanent markers work without hardening it up? May have to find the spare chamois and try it out
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#21 tidewaterfly

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 01:57 PM

Bob, I have used permanent markers on chamois in the past, and it does make them a little stiff, but not enough to worry about. Once they get wet they're fine. The biggest issue is the color is not all that permanent, and fades away rather quickly. If you're just adding dots or stripes to it, then permanent marker is the way to go. I've used both Sharpie & Pantone markers, and neither one lasts very long.

I can see I'll have to be adding some dyes & fly lipps to my supplies! smile.gif





#22 primitivepete

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Posted 01 February 2011 - 01:48 AM


Thanks for sharing that pattern. I decided to tie up some big ole nasty sculpins for the trout out here in Idaho using the chamois tail.

Hooked a nice one out of a hole some guy was just leaving because "nothing was biting."

I used a little scrap of buckskin, which is about like chamois, but tanned differently, and colored a pattern on it with a brown marker. It did great, and had it looked any more alive I would have bitten it myself and swam off feeling full. The color seemed to stay and it stayed flexible after drying.

O rockon.gif nce it warms up I know it's gonna be a bass killer too.

#23 sniksoh

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Posted 02 February 2011 - 11:28 PM

what do you use to color your foam cylindars?
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#24 Fly Fishing Russia

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 06:16 PM

Awesome! Very nice fly! Actually, very co-incidental - last night watching World Fishing Network there was a short segment with the guy who designed fly lips, he had a pattern that looked almost exactly the same as this, and said interestingly some of his patterns can have the lip on upside down, it will still wiggle but wiggle 'upwards towards the surface', sounded very interesting for use with a weighted fly such as a shrimp. Think he also talked about how he was initially a spin fisherman and the idea of the fly lips came from chucking rapalas and the fact that his flies now caught a lot more fish because of the action. Great when you are watching tv and a guy appears on at the bench tying flies!

I think i may be sold on getting some lips, just have a question - is it much harder to cast as far as wind resistance or does the lip tangle and spin in the air?

*oh edit* for some reason i hadn't read Kirk's reply! Too much coffee! Or maybe sitting around all this head cement and sally hansen is taking its toll <img src="http://www.flytyingf...>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />


People are thinking similar way: I am working with these lip-up flies for quite a long time..

I am calling such one "Antiwobbler" - see attachment. Hard to make correct, but when properly fine-tuned, it works great for any pelagic fish. I am using the Antiwobblers with sinking line or fast-sinking sink-tips. They move higher than the fly line, and do not snag too often. See more on these flies in my blog at the bottom of the post. Tight lines!

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#25 Fly Fishing Russia

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 05:52 PM

Kirk, I agree, lipped flies are not for all situations, and as with all fly choices, it is a trade-off. Flies with the lip facing down are definitely not meant to be picked up at great distances, not only is it difficult, it's hard on the lip. However when I'm sight casting to redfish, I don't throw a fly of this size and weight to begin with, as I am sure you are aware, shallow reds are mighty spooky. I do throw a lipped fly for them however, actually several, but the lip is tied in an "up" facing direction. This causes the fly to swim up, actually quite quickly , and then it can easily be picked from the surface. If the water is clear and the reds are searching the bottom I throw my 'Scapin' Shrimp, a realistic pattern that sinks slowly and then swims up off the bottom. If they are super shallow and extremely spooky, I throw my Topwater Seaducer. This fly lands like a whisper and then sinks very slowly and actually suspends. When retrieved it will swim to the surface where I allow it to "sea"-ductively swim along, creating a subtle but distinctive push. I also have the option of popping it on top, causing it to spit along with the pop sound.

Sorry to go on, but hope this answers most of your questions. Be glad to help more if I can
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Thank you for the excellent idea with the shrimp!

The lipped flies with the lip directed up are just great. I love fishing with them. Most of the flyfishemen have even no idea that this design is existing - it is an underestimated idea.

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#26 primitivepete

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 07:15 PM

Glad this thread resurfaced...I knew I had seen it before.

Wanted to share with you the fly your pattern inspired for me. Taken a lot of big fish with it. Love that chamois tail! Tried a lot of different stuff till I saw your video.

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#27 Voodoo

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 07:43 PM

omg trout up here would KILL that!
the fish wasnt too small, you just used a big rod!

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 02:12 PM

Great thread thought I would bring it up again!