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#1 flytire

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 09:47 AM

something different

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=SpXg11Jc7Rg

 

sorry. cant help you with the language or his tying vise


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#2 mikechell

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 10:33 AM

I tried that method, bridging the arch on scud hooks, many years ago. 

That was before I was introduced to UV resins, so I couldn't figure out how to make it useful.  Now, after seeing this, I might have to try it again.

 

Thanks for that link.  


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#3 chugbug27

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 02:02 PM

Cool. Structural engineer meets the tying vise.
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#4 SilverCreek

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 08:51 PM

Most scud patterns are tied on the wrong hooks. This is a case of fly tyers copying other tiers without actually knowing about the entomology of the what they are imitationing.

 

Swimming scuds are straight and not curved when they swim. Tied on straight hooks, they catch fish just fine. I learned this back in the 1970's from Gary Borger. I think Gary's book, Naturals mentions this. Jason Borger's Latex Scud from the 1970's is tied on a straight hook and was the first scud pattern I tied.

 

"First of all, swimming scuds, the kind fish are likely to see, are as straight as a needle and only curl up into the typical scud fly profile when they are crawling around on something."

 

https://books.google...mething&f=false

 

Phillip Rowley is a noted stillwater fly fisher.

 

https://www.stillwat...shingstore.com/

 

He writes:

 

Curved scuds are dead, resting or feeding. Pronounced curved pattern profiles should be avoided. Successful hook styles include standard shank or a scud pupa to suggest mobile scuds. The kind foraging trout are hunting. At the vise fly fishers should consider the effect of weighting patterns. Curved pupa hooks tend to roll upside down when weighted as the crest of the shank is now the heaviest point. A phenomenon christened the keel effect. Successful scud patterns feature scruffy undersides of dubbing, a pinch of soft hackle or similar materials to suggest the 7 pairs of legs that always seem to be in a constant state of motion. A traditional Hare’s Ear Nymph tied in a spectrum of scud colors is an excellent imposter.."

 

http://www.flycrafta...index.asp?p=123

 

In contrast the Yum Yum pattern by Geremy Garrett is one of the few scud patterns tied on a proper straight hook.

 

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https://www.umpqua.c...rimp/uv-yum-yum

 

Swimming scud video

 

 

 


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#5 chugbug27

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 09:12 PM

I think the little orange bits on each end were meant to imitate a dying scud.

I also now see that it looks a lot like a lollipop....

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#6 Mark Knapp

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 09:40 PM

Interesting observation Silver