I'm still messing with deer hair and still trying to perfect my spinning skills. I have a smallmouth trip planned and wanted some larger/bulkier flies for the mountain stream fish. I was thinking crawdads,so, I tied on some eyes and lead wrapped the hook shank. this is a XL long hook. I spun the deer hair (as best I'm capable right now) then trimmed it to look like legs. I used some Mink as the tail. I'm pretty happy with the results.