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How sparse should a clouser minnow be?
Posted 17 February 2011 - 08:55 AM
One more thing, for the saltwater down here, you will wan to tie some of the clousers with bead chain eyes rather than lead because some of the best fishing is in shallow water. And even in deep water, sometimes it can be deadly to have the fly sink more slowly than with lead. I probably tie closers more with bead chain than lead.
Posted 17 February 2011 - 09:30 AM
The first are bonefish Clousers in tan/white, I also do them in fl. grn/white, and pink/white - in sizes #6 up to #2, all with an "outrigger style" weedguard. The second pic is the Whitewater Bay Clouser, on a 2/0 hook - note the wire weedguard. We work this heavily dressed Clouser up into short mangrove roots along shallow dark water areas for snook, redfish, and other species. In use it's fired up into the tangles and worked back out. Yes, it's pretty big but very visible in the tannin stained waters of the interior Everglades brackish waters. The wire weedguard allows you to work it over, under, and around every snag... Lastly these Peacock Clousers in size #4 are used in urban drainage canals where the aggressive Peas will chase and attack anything that might be a baitfish (if Peas drove cars they'd be chartreuse and pink low-riders with loud mufflers...).
Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:03 AM
The Clousers tied for our (Texas) coastal waters are typically tied a little heavier than for the Central Texas streams. Eye weight seems to be more critical than how sparse they are tied for the coastal fisher. As Capt. Bob pointed out,it is a matter of how deep you want to fish them. Also, bead chain eyes are preferred over lead for fishing the grass flats. The weight of the lead takes the fly down into the grass, making it difficult to properly fish them.
Posted 17 February 2011 - 07:13 PM
Posted 22 February 2011 - 09:11 AM
Posted 22 February 2011 - 06:36 PM
The Clouser Deep Minnow is a general TYPE of fly/lure, not an absolute pattern. The beauty of it, just like Lefty's Deceiver and Blessing's Woolly Bugger, is that it can be endlessly modified and tweaked to achieve whatever results you want. Thin, tall, chubby, short, redhead, blonde, whatever. It is very true that they work well when tied a bit more sparse than what people THINK they should be but it's no big worry.
Then consider the next step after the "Deep Minnow" was when Bob and Lefty consolidated a feather tail of a Deceiver into the bucktail of a Minnow, ON PURPOSE to create a thick dense profile of a fallfish or a shiner...
the gales of November remembered...
Posted 22 February 2011 - 08:25 PM
Posted 15 March 2011 - 04:57 PM
It is true that people starting out tend to use too much hair, on every style of bucktail not just these, and it messes up the fly as well as making it extremely difficult to get a good solid tie. Too much hair moves around under the thread and pulls out easily.
the gales of November remembered...
Posted 23 April 2011 - 11:27 AM
keep on chuckin'
Surf fish bum
Posted 22 June 2011 - 07:01 PM
Years ago I had a conversaton with Bob and questioned the red colored dumbell eyes.
His answer was that when the initial design was being tested, on some days the smallmouth would not hit the white colored eyes and on other days the yellow painted eyes did not work,,,,,,, they never found a day the red painted eyes were rejected.
The red eyes became a standard for the Clouser Deep Minnow.
Posted 18 December 2013 - 03:46 AM
This is interesting and appropriate for me now. I don't do much salt water fly fishing, am now in a position to do more. I have though just had an order for 50 Clousers. I've been taking notes! Thanks to one and all.
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Posted 23 December 2013 - 09:43 AM
I voted five in the poll, thinking it meant the whole fly...but I use two for the belly and three for the back.
Posted 22 January 2014 - 05:17 PM
I attended an afternoon seminar with Bob Clouser just about a year ago and HIS answer to this question was;
"If I tied them [Clouser Minnows] as sparse as they should be, nobody would ever buy a fly from me because they would think they were being ripped off. I don't think you could tie this fly too sparse if you tried."
- Bob Clouser, February 2013