I don't know if it's just dumb luck or being willing to wait paid off. I was killing time at the Louisville Cabelas fly department and was shopping around for a fly vise. They had a Renzetti 2200 traveler base model priced at $199.95. I thought it wasn't a great deal but I wanted to look at it. The sales guy got it out of the cabinet so I could look at it. He then scanned the bar code and the price came up as $134.88. I asked him to scan it again and sure enough $134.88. Well I snatched it out of his hand before he could blink. He told me they were marked down to get rid of them?????. Well after my military discount and Cabelas points, I walked out paying about $90.00 for it. Don't know if it was just Louisville Cabelas or not, but if you are looking for a pretty good vise check your local Cabelas out. I looked at their site online and they don't show Renzetti Vises anymore. Maybe that's why their selling them off.