Jump to content


 Welcome to FlyTyingForum.com


FlyTyingForum.com is the largest fly tying community in the world and we hope you take a moment to register for a free account and join this amazingly friendly and helpful group of anglers. FTF has over 12,000 registered members that have made over 300,000 posts and have uploaded over 6,000 patterns to our exclusive fly pattern database!

If you are an experienced fly tier or just starting out FTF is the perfect place to call home. Click Here To Register for a Free Account

Fly Pattern Database / Browse by Topics / Browse by Material / Fly Tying Bench Database / Fly Fishing & Tying Videos / FTFCurrent(NEW!)
Featured Products: Fly Tying Hooks / Fly Tying Scissors / Waterproof Fly Boxes
Photo

caddis question


  • Please log in to reply
10 replies to this topic

#1 hopperfisher

hopperfisher

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 124 posts

Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:52 PM

I'm having a hard time understanding how a caddis fly actually floats on the water. I don't think they having their wings perfectly tented like when they sit on a rock, or do they?
"Don't tread on me."
--Earth

#2 Piker20

Piker20

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 7,208 posts

Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:30 PM

I'm sure it depends on species. The local ones to me tend to skitter along the top and when they rest they do sit tented.
Matthew 25: 35-36 "Out of every 100 men, 10 shouldnt even be there, 80 are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior and he will bring the others back. "No man ever steps in the same river twice"   Heraclitus, 5 B.C

Based Scottish Highlands. UK

MUSTAD The wise anglers choice.

#3 hopperfisher

hopperfisher

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 124 posts

Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:30 PM

I'm sure it depends on species. The local ones to me tend to skitter along the top and when they rest they do sit tented.


OK, thanks for the reply. Do the spinners sit tented as well or do their wings splay out like mayfly spinners?
"Don't tread on me."
--Earth

#4 Piker20

Piker20

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 7,208 posts

Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:35 AM

Laying caddie do you mean? A caddie emerger works well for that. In the times I have seen caddis I haven't seen a spent one. I'm not sure the trout give them chance to live that long.
Matthew 25: 35-36 "Out of every 100 men, 10 shouldnt even be there, 80 are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior and he will bring the others back. "No man ever steps in the same river twice"   Heraclitus, 5 B.C

Based Scottish Highlands. UK

MUSTAD The wise anglers choice.

#5 phg

phg

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,411 posts

Posted 27 November 2012 - 03:41 PM

Caddis flies don't die right after mating the way mayflies do, so you don't have the swarm of spent adults falling to the water. Adults can live from several days to several weeks.

#6 perchjerker

perchjerker

    Advanced Member

  • Banned
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,274 posts

Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:39 AM

I have only seen photos of the abundant 'spinners' of this hatch, and their wings are splayed out just like on a mayfly spinner. Remember; they are dead and no longer have any muscle control to hold the wings up.

#7 Crackaig

Crackaig

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,242 posts

Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:01 AM

Most newly hatched flies don't float! They stand on the meniscus. Many caddisflies seem to know they are a prospective meal for the trout so as soon as they are able they make for cover. This is the skittering caddis. Egg laying is mostly by one of three methods. Only two of which have I found a way of imitating with a fly. Some will crawl down a reed stem or blade of grass into the water to lay their eggs. I've never seen anyone cast with enough control to imitate this. ;) Some will stand on the surface or bomb the surface depositing eggs to drift down to the bed. The others will dive into the water and swim down to lay their eggs.

Dead and dying caddis on the water's surface tend to have their wings in a delta position, Though often quite a crumpled one. Swiss straw is a good material to imitate these. If you are imitating egg laying caddis then a butt of bright green or yellow dubbing or floss imitates the egg sack well. A bead head version can be useful for the swimming adult caddis.If you want to go too far with the imitation of a swimming adult then Oliver Edwards POPA Caddis is an option.

Cheers,
C.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical
minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which
holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd
by the clean end"


#8 hopperfisher

hopperfisher

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 124 posts

Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:41 AM

WOW! Thank you! That will really help!
"Don't tread on me."
--Earth

#9 nick2011

nick2011

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 424 posts

Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:24 PM

i was float tubbing a lake a few years back and had quit a few caddis flies climb on too my tube, what i noticed while they were laying on the water is that their wings were tent style, and i have only seen may flies lying dead on the water spent style.
nick sipe

#10 perchjerker

perchjerker

    Advanced Member

  • Banned
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,274 posts

Posted 01 December 2012 - 10:17 AM

i was float tubbing a lake a few years back and had quit a few caddis flies climb on too my tube, what i noticed while they were laying on the water is that their wings were tent style, and i have only seen may flies lying dead on the water spent style.



Nick...

The scenario you present clearly infers that the caddis you saw on the water were alive. Otherwise, how would they have been able to "climb" onto your float tube? The numerous photos I have seen of this hatch that have shown the dead ones caught in eddy areas,where they were so thick they could be scooped up by the handful, clearly show a very high percentage with the wings out flat. Unfortunately, my efforts to find copies of these photos have all been in vain.

Cheers!
Frank

#11 keep_lookingup

keep_lookingup

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 58 posts

Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:28 PM

I don't think I have ever seen caddis floating on water. They are always skittering about and very active. The times I have seen spent caddis on the water the wings were splayed out. I have also had them crawl up on my float tube and waders with their wings tented as they moved about. My experience is limited to the western US.