David 82nd 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 Hey guys having trouble finding this , I've looked in the shops I usually order from it seems everyone is out The only exception is a shop in " Romania " I've seen this at competitive angler and Fish food ? Nobody has it , if anybody knows where some is in stock I'd appreciate it ..thanks guys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SILKHDH 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 Pelican quill? What do you use it for. Would love to see a post of that. I've seen poppers made from large feather quills. Is that what your doing? Or are you using the fibers from the feather for something. Curiosity killed the cat dude, and today I guess I'm the cat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David 82nd 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 http://www.flytying.ro/fly-tying-bodies-made-biots/ I like this , going to tie some up Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fishinguy 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 "Pelican, heron, parrots and swan herls and biots are very rare and almost impossible to find and if you find them are not cheap at all."-from your article. I'd go with goose or turkey biots. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flytire 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 pelican quill below looks like a goose or turkey biot will make an excellent substitution. the fish will never know the difference whats "legal" in "romania" may not be "legal" in the usa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spiralspey 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 White pelican (and probably brown too) are migratory, so I assume possessing their feathers is illegal in the U.S. Same thing for Heron. Like the article says there are lots of suitable substitutes like goose and turkey. I use turkey biots all the time for bodies on dries and emergers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David 82nd 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 Good points guys , thank you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saltybum 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 About two years ago I found a fresh dead Great Blue Heron on the side of the road. Since I keep FWC's ( Florida Wildlife Commission ) in my phone I gave them a call and inquired as to the legality of plucking a few feathers from it. The answering officer said he would check it out for me. After a minute or so the officer came back on said "pluck away". I may have to inquire about pelicans now since quite a few are dying around this area of Florida due our toxic environment. I'm sure though that if one were to try and start selling these feathers there would be a legal issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crackaig 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 If you are after something larger try the biots from peacock primary. Cheers, C. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flytire 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 protected PELICAN, American White, Pelecanus erythrorhynchosBrown, Pelecanus occidentalis HERON, Gray, Ardea cinerea Great Blue, Ardea herodiasGreen, Butorides virescensLittle Blue, Egretta caeruleaTricolored, Egretta tricolor https://www.fws.gov/birds/management/managed-species/migratory-bird-treaty-act-protected-species.php Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whatfly 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 About two years ago I found a fresh dead Great Blue Heron on the side of the road. Since I keep FWC's ( Florida Wildlife Commission ) in my phone I gave them a call and inquired as to the legality of plucking a few feathers from it. The answering officer said he would check it out for me. After a minute or so the officer came back on said "pluck away". I may have to inquire about pelicans now since quite a few are dying around this area of Florida due our toxic environment. I'm sure though that if one were to try and start selling these feathers there would be a legal issue. Suspect you were misinformed, Saltybum. You cannot for example pick up an eagle feather on the ground (at least without a special permit issued by USFWS). The argument is to prevent any excuse for having feathers from protected species in one's possession. I would be very suspicious of what your local fish and game told you, personally. Heron should be protected by the Migratory Bird Treaty, which according to Wikipedia does not distinguish between feather from live or dead animals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migratory_Bird_Treaty_Act_of_1918. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FIN-ITE 34 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 Pelican quill is not illegal to sell in the USA. As David 82nd stated in his original post, Competitive Angler (PA, USA) does carry it but they are out of stock on most colors. http://competitiveangler.com/products/troutline-pelican-quill-segment-condor-substitute Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spiralspey 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 Yes, Saltybum, you were misinformed. Heron is legal in Canada, but illegal to possess in the U.S.. Heron hackles are traditional for some larger spey patterns, but since they're illegal here in the states we've had to find substitutes like blue eared pheasant. I find heron all the time in several places I fish, but I've always kept my hands in my pockets. It doesn't seem worth it considering the possible fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David 82nd 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 Pelican quill is not illegal to sell in the USA. As Davis 82nd stated in his original post, Competitive Angler (PA, USA) does carry it but they are out of stock on most colors. http://competitiveangler.com/products/troutline-pelican-quill-segment-condor-substitute Kind of thought this, thanks , it's used a lot over seas , Competitive angler sells it , and states on web site that it is a substitute for " condor? That's not legal lol , the reason I want this material is for the distinctive defined ribbing , I currently use turkey, goose, as well as the quill from a Rhode Island Red after it's been soaked , and fibers removed , I seen the recipe on troutline.ro , " overseas site ? I called competitive angler today and they have me on list when next order comes in , I'll keep you posted if anybody else is looking for some Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saltybum 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2017 Lots of peacock in a couple areas near me and they aren't owned by anyone and not indigenous either, hence not protected. Might even be good eating too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites