chugbug27 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2018 I'm trying to get the general lay of the land re uses for DMC cotton embroidery floss v DMC wool yarn... Woven flies (both?), ribbing (cotton?), dubbing (wool?), Soft hackle bodies (cotton?) Dry fly bodies (cotton?), Streamer bodies (wool?), Nymph bodies (wool?), Other? Much thanks re ways you may have liked or disliked actually using either or both... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rstaight 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2018 I have a book written by Don Holbrook and Ed Koch called Midge Magic. It's published by Stackpole Books. The largest fly in the book is size 18 and goes down to size 32. Almost all of patterns use DMC embroidery floss. Some use Coates and Clark. The appendix is a list of colors by number. If you can get the book I highly recommend it. I carry several of the patterns out of the book and have had good success. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Poopdeck 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2018 I use DMC floss for midges, bodies, hot spots and I did weave one fly with it. I'm just not a fly weaver. It's just thread to me so I have no complaints. My wife cross stitches so she has hoarded every conceivable color that she very neatly wraps on cards and stores in color coded number order in clear cases. Never tried the other stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chugbug27 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2018 Thanks rs & pd Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tjm 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2018 All the books I have that refer to floss are using silk or rayon.I've looked at cotton floss a jillion times and always persuaded myself that almost anything is better than cotton for fly tying. Wool yarn I have used lots of (not that brand but wool) and I would use wool in almost any kind of body, it can be brushed apart and dubbed, or wound on as yarn and then brushed 9or picked out with bodkin) to rough, or untwisted to lay flat as floss and coated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tjm 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2018 It's just thread to me Exactly, cotton thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chugbug27 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2018 Thanks tjm, wool yarn as floss "coated," is that coated with wax? And I've read that, too, about not using cotton... But that's what the DMC embroidery floss is made of, and it's in a lot of patterns I've seen... Maybe there's a version of it that's made of rayon? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tjm 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2018 I used lacquer just as if it was rayon. Not something I've done a lot, but I tend to improvise. I like wool yarn, it's cheap and easy; that doesn't mean that it is better than other materials, just that I like it better. The cotton may work, it just looks lumpy and dull to me, wet cotton seems lifeless, I don't like polyester thread either. But, I'm not an expert, really, and anyone's millage may vary. I haven't seen DMC mentioned but my books are old and basic stuff. If the pattern calls for a specific material, it may be best to try that material. This actually may be a good body material; https://www.amazon.com/DMC-1008FPK1-Treasures-Assorted-8-7-Yard/dp/B001C1SYGS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1529167987&sr=8-1&keywords=dmc+rayon+floss https://www.dmc.com/us/dmc-satin-floss-9003459.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rstaight 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2018 DMC's Satin floss is made of rayon. Go to their website. Their product line may surprise you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tjm 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2018 In this old thread some guys say cotton is great: http://www.flytyingforum.com/index.php?showtopic=44335 Thing is the term "embroidery floss" designates a type of thread or yarn that may be used in embroidery work, it is like saying metal when you mean steel or copper. I have seen embroidery done with all kinds of floss and several kinds of yarn. If the writer said to use cotton floss or to use silk floss it would be clear what he/she meant. Using a brand name that makes many products is at the very best vague. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chugbug27 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2018 I've already got the cotton &wool in assorted colors, really just trying to figure general guidelines for their best uses as I'm trying to organize and whittle down my horded materials. And thank you everyone, this has been helpful Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rstaight 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2018 I know the why you shouldn'ts of using cotton threads. But when it comes to a midge I use it. I have some that a tied quite a few years ago. Haven't rotted yet. Haven't gotten a rusty hook. Let them dry before putting the back in the box. Lumpy bodies are no problem. Embroidery floss is 6 strands. Undo the strands. I use this on midge patterns size 18 and smaller. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chugbug27 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2018 @rstaight, I read the preface and intro to Midge Magic on Amazon, that's a great backstory. 25+ years matching, tying & fishing embroidery thread midges on his home PA limestone stream. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AK Skim 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2018 I have a book written by Don Holbrook and Ed Koch called Midge Magic. It's published by Stackpole Books. Almost all of patterns use DMC embroidery floss. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noahguide 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2018 CB, Here's some patterns done with floss, never had an issue. I like that I can pare it down if I chose. Satin Floss on the featherwing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites