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A question related to tying
Posted 20 February 2008 - 10:52 PM
What are you guys' ideas on this? Basically fly tying and the traditions it carries with it.
Thanks a lot,
I really hope to get some good answers!
Posted 20 February 2008 - 11:44 PM
Posted 20 February 2008 - 11:47 PM
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Posted 21 February 2008 - 12:07 AM
Those are some wicked reasons, that I am sure you wouldnt find in a book, or mag somewhere. Fred, maybe you are "making history" for your costal waters!
I love history too, and although I like to keep it, I also like catching fish. I love to learn the history of a pattern and tie it. But when it come to catching fish the exact pattern isnt always the best. Although it is sometimes the most fun to fish.
Mike Boyer helped me once with the history of the Lord Baltimore american bass fly. Which is great because Lord Baltimore came from England and settled in Newfoundland, later migrating to his investments in maryland, because the weather was too bad here. Later the fly was named for him, because it was his colours. Or they designed the fly in his colours. (that was a butchering of the real history)
Posted 21 February 2008 - 12:09 AM
I find the traditional part of fly tying is just another factor that you can get hooked on, if you wish
Posted 21 February 2008 - 07:09 AM
For me, I tie flies for several reasons. Firstly it allows me to carry on with my fishing - even when I cannot get out to the water. Secondly, there is great pride to be taken in catching a fish on a fly that you have planned, tied and presented all yourself. Thirdly, I love sharing flies and knowing that someone else may have success with something I have cobbled together.
It's all linked to the history really - but we are all taking it further, not just going over old ground. I love seeing new versions of patterns / new ideas / different materials. This site is great for that - especially when people feedback about your work at the vise.
Great thread by the way. Cheers,
DW Fly Fishing & Tying
River Fly Box
Posted 21 February 2008 - 07:57 AM
Posted 21 February 2008 - 08:32 AM
Let's not forget that the materials and techniques we use well now will be 'traditional' to our grandchildren
well said, i completely agree. I have not really dug into the history of tying, or fishing all THAT much. well i mean no more than most other people. I suppose when you read any article or tutorial your kinda reading a piece of history, because however they learned to do it, was mostly likely past down to them and slightly adapted to fit. I love to tie old and new patterns with traditional and modern materials. But I have often wondered who the heck thought it would be a good idea to wrap a feather around a hook and catch fish with it.
maybe the same guy who thought spraying cologne on you will get you a woman... I think your better off with the feather on the hook. for more reason than one don't tell my girlfriend
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Posted 21 February 2008 - 11:18 AM
First off, let me say that the tradition and history of the sport of fly fishing is very important
to me personally, and that without it, fly fishing just wouldn't be the same experience.
This post got me thinking about what 'tradition' or 'traditionalist' really means ....
The definition of the word 'tradition' is 'to hand down'.
If we run with this definition, the famous names throughout fly fishing history don't
necessarily meet this criteria of 'traditionalist' - yes, they handed down to us, but
they didn't necessarily stick with what was handed down to them - they were constantly
searching for new fishing techniques, fly patterns and materials - I think this is
where we are - we take what was handed down to us and run with it - we are
maintaining tradition by not following it in a certain way. I think this is the only
way the sport can survive and the 'tradition' continue on.
Natural versus synthetic materials for fly patterns ? Natural materials are still very
prominent in contemporary fly patterns not just because of tradition, but because nature is
the best at imitating nature !
Am I opposed to the use of synthetics ? Not at all. Many so-called traditional patterns
feature tinsel - does this disqualify them from being described as traditional ?
Flies constructed solely using synthetics - not too keen on this, but if the next guy wants
to do it, I'm fine with it.
Tie to throw or tie to show ? - this is where I really do stick with tradition - the patterns
handed down to us were without exception ALL tied to throw.
That's my 2 cents worth on the matter.
Posted 21 February 2008 - 12:40 PM
I don't care if I'm tying a traditional pattern or if I'm creating something new and bizarre.
[indent=1]From On the Road by John Geirach (quoting A.K. Best)
Posted 21 February 2008 - 01:07 PM
We often confuse handing down an "original" pattern with handing down a "traditional" pattern. I think we can stay traditional and still be creative. In this sense, new designs are started all the time or else there wouldn't be any traditions. Some are lost. Some maintain through the ages and are tweaked here and there but follow in the essense of the original pattern (the tradition).
Natural vs. Synthetics...
My 2 cents: Two different traditions.
I prefer the natural tradition because I get more personal satisfaction out of it.
I will quote Darrell Martin in The Art of the Trout Fly,
"In a way, tying is trouting. Tying extends our understanding of nature. We seek the perfect pattern, even if the perfect pattern never exists. It matters only that we seek. We seek the perfect feather, the perfect method, the perfect theory. To the thoughtful tyer, it is the quest and not the pattern that matters. And in the search, fragments of fur and feather continuously transform into a new alchemy. Part of the pleasure of tying is discovery. So, we finally net more than trout. We net knowing the spotted Callibaetis, the underfur of the muskrat, the scarlet flank of a rainbow and the peent of whispering nighthawks."
"Always drink upstream from the herd."
Posted 21 February 2008 - 01:08 PM
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Posted 21 February 2008 - 01:22 PM
At least after a good day of fly fishing. Come to think of it, I seem to have caught more fish with the flies I tied while in college.
"Always drink upstream from the herd."
Posted 21 February 2008 - 02:32 PM
I suppose the part I like best about fly tying is dreaming up new ways/materials/patterns for effective flies. I've gotten pretty good at using those craft/dollar store materials to make some effective flies. I do like tying with more traditional materials, but I often don't want to wait for them so I make substitution.
By the way, the only traditional fly that I've seen work really well down here is a royal coachman wet streamer. Occasionally the bluegill will hit that fly until there is nothing left of it.