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Posted 20 December 2008 - 05:48 PM
My questions on the perfection perch are:
1) Hook size and type: I have looked at several hook comparison charts and can't find an equivalent for the Partridge 15BN. Also, the author only lists one size for this fly (#12) which I found a bit odd. Any thoughts on that? Target species trout, location Owens River, CA.
2) What kind of epoxy would be best to purchase to get that kind of a head? It looks like something thicker or heavier than what one would find with most epoxys?
3) Any hints on what type/size/brand of holographic eyes to purchase? Not sure if anything JStoddard carries would be similar to what is pictured here?
Thanks in advance for any advice. Jon
Posted 20 December 2008 - 06:23 PM
Devcon epoxy is pretty much the standard for fly tiers. I prefer the 2 ton 60 or 90 minute stuff, as it gives me added time to work with & coat several flies at a time. You may have to give it 2 coats, since the material might soak it it some.
The eye brand is likely not very important, any should work. The size will depend on the fly size you choose. Likely 3 to 6 mm for small flies.
Posted 20 December 2008 - 08:05 PM
Well, that is what confused me, in that the tier who provided the recipe only listed size #12 rather than a range. My guess is I would want to tie them in #10-14. I've gone back to scouring hook comparison charts, but I still can't find what might work best; it is extremely frustrating. The only staight eye scud hook I can find on the charts is the Mustad 37140, but I don't know if this is a good alternative. This is one of the biggest problems I find in trying to expand the flies I tie: which hooks can really be used to copy a pattern that one may find? For example, I have a whole bunch of TMC 5263 hooks, which looks like a standard streamer hook, but I don't know if it is a good one for this pattern.
I see in the Stoddard catalog that they sell sheets of eyes but you need to select 1/8, 3/16, 1/4, 5/16 and then various colors (gold, red, silver, yellow). The frustrating thing here again for the newbie is deciding which one(s) are the right size and color. I don't mind buying a couple of different sizes/colors, but would prefer not to buy 4x4 (size X color).
Thanks again anyone for any help with deciphering these riddles! Jon
Posted 20 December 2008 - 08:56 PM
I use the SC15 for a lot of my baitfish patterns both salt and fresh. Gamakatsu has a freshwater version of the SC15 but I can't think of its designation.
As far as epoxy goes I use the 5 minute Devcon. I tie up the flies then do the epoxy one at a time. There's other stuff out there you can use to coat the head and eyes including clear silicone.
For this type of pattern, I prefer the 3-D epoxy eyes, again size of the fly dictates the size of the eye, but 1/8 and 1/4 wouldn't be bad sizes to start with. I like silver, pearl and chartreuse for the eyes I use.
Here's a 3 inch pattern tied on a SC15. Hook is Size 2. Head is epoxy. Eyes are 1/4 inch 3-D chartruese.
Posted 21 December 2008 - 12:26 AM
I've done some checking, and here's some other hooks that may be a substitute for that Partridge 15BN. Although they may not be exact matches in length or finish.
Daiichi 1260, 1270 & 1273 http://www.anglerspo...cat.asp?CatID=4
Mustad Signature Series C49S, C47S D, C53S http://www.mustad.no...gnature1_1.html
Tiemco TMC2499SP-BL http://www.tiemco.co...ts/flyhook.html
Gamakatsu SC15 http://www.gamakatsu.com/m_fly.htm
Partridge GRS12ST, K14ST http://www.partridge...co.uk/index.htm
As for the eye colors, I again agree with Philly & use silver or chartreuse most of the time, but I also have some red & gold. I just try to use a color that looks good to me with the rest of the fly. I don't think the fish care one way or another. And for info purposes, 3 to 6 mm is about the same as 1/8 to 1/4 inch.
Posted 21 December 2008 - 12:05 PM
Mustad 10829BLN Big Gun Bait Hook http://www.mustad.no...oduct.php?id=29
Mustad 10841NPBLN Big Gun Bait Hook (light wire) http://www.mustad.no...uct.php?id=1978
I use a lot of hooks that are not "fly" hooks, but they serve the purpose well.
Posted 21 December 2008 - 09:31 PM
Also, I got a reply from the tier of this fly I was asking about in a local CA fishing forum. I will copy his comments below. Btw, it turns out that the Partridge hook he uses is the Klinkhamer hook that Partridge produces. Here is the reply from the original tier (Steve Schalla aka StevenOjai):
"The Perfection Perch is a take-off from John Rohmer's Diamond Hair Minnow. The patterns use the same materials but different sized hooks and head material. JR uses Sally's Hard as Nails to create the head and secure the stick-on eyes. Kent Rianda's Perfection Perch uses epoxy for the same purpose. More durable but also more difficult to apply. No dubbing loops involved with the Perfection Perch, just wads of material that tend to be looped since the material is so long. I use an "x" wrap to attach the material, then come back with some additional thread wraps to secure and orient the fibers.
JR's minnows and the Perfection Perch use a Gamakatsu hook, SC15, which is really popular with the salt water guys. It's a tin-plated hook. JR tends to attach most of the materials on top of the hook shank with the hook rather exposed. The Perfection Perch is designed to hide the hook with more materials covering the bend of the hook. Either way, they both work fine for Bass. We've been using both patterns on Lake Casitas this Winter with good results. I happened to use the Klinkhamer-type hook since it has a similar profile to the SC15 but a thinner wire. Just a personal preference. Certainly, you can tie these patterns in a number of sizes. You could also use other hook styles. For some small baitfish, a scud-type hook could be a great choice with the wide gape. Lately, the larger sizes in #2-4 have been working better at lake Casitas with the larger shad colorations. The size #10-12 was a good size for the perch fry at Crowley during the early Fall. Just match the size of your fly to the size of the baitfish you wish to mimic. "