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Unsinkable Dry Flies Attaching Air to Dries

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#16 DHC

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 09:39 AM

QUOTE (Bryan Wright @ Oct 12 2010, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (DHC @ Oct 12 2010, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (riffleriversteelheadslayer @ Oct 11 2010, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
holy crap if you can't make a fly float with hackle cdc or something else what makes you think an air bubble will work any better plus with the added weight of the heat shrink tube I'm not so sure it would float anyway



Specific Gravity of THIN WALL CROSS-LINKED POLYOLEFIN in clear is .95 which means it floats without any air bubble. Colored thin wall products weigh more up to a specific gravity of 1.4


Okay you lost me with that one.


THIN WALL CROSS-LINKED POLYOLEFIN is one type of heat shrink and there are many different types. This is the best that I have found so far for fly tying. Sorry for the confusion.

#17 JSzymczyk

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 05:14 AM

QUOTE (Bryan Wright @ Oct 12 2010, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay you lost me with that one.


pure, distilled water has a specific gravity of 1.0 so just ASSume creek, pond, and river water does too. Anything with a specific gravity of less than 1.0 is less dense therefore it does not get pulled down through the water by gravity. Again, ASSume this has nothing to do with shape, support, displacement, or a billion other factors. Things with a specific gravity of more than 1.0 "sink" in water. Again, another billion variables because ships made of steel float.

so if you had a solid sphere of DHC's THIN WALL CROSS-LINKED POLYOLEFIN !!!! it should (barely) float in calm pure water. A solid sphere of lead won't. Put a big bubble of air in either one, and the lead one could be made to float while the other will float a lot better.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 01:44 PM

QUOTE (JSzymczyk @ Oct 14 2010, 05:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Bryan Wright @ Oct 12 2010, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay you lost me with that one.


pure, distilled water has a specific gravity of 1.0 so just ASSume creek, pond, and river water does too. Anything with a specific gravity of less than 1.0 is less dense therefore it does not get pulled down through the water by gravity. Again, ASSume this has nothing to do with shape, support, displacement, or a billion other factors. Things with a specific gravity of more than 1.0 "sink" in water. Again, another billion variables because ships made of steel float.

so if you had a solid sphere of DHC's THIN WALL CROSS-LINKED POLYOLEFIN !!!! it should (barely) float in calm pure water. A solid sphere of lead won't. Put a big bubble of air in either one, and the lead one could be made to float while the other will float a lot better.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 07:13 PM

QUOTE (JSzymczyk @ Oct 14 2010, 03:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Bryan Wright @ Oct 12 2010, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay you lost me with that one.


pure, distilled water has a specific gravity of 1.0 so just ASSume creek, pond, and river water does too. Anything with a specific gravity of less than 1.0 is less dense therefore it does not get pulled down through the water by gravity. Again, ASSume this has nothing to do with shape, support, displacement, or a billion other factors. Things with a specific gravity of more than 1.0 "sink" in water. Again, another billion variables because ships made of steel float.

so if you had a solid sphere of DHC's THIN WALL CROSS-LINKED POLYOLEFIN !!!! it should (barely) float in calm pure water. A solid sphere of lead won't. Put a big bubble of air in either one, and the lead one could be made to float while the other will float a lot better.


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I just wish this thread would die.

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#20 JSzymczyk

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 09:26 PM

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#21 the saltydog

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 10:29 AM

I think I will stick with my principles of the food I eat, if I can't pronounce then I don't eat it.... I can't pronounce POLYOLEFIN, so I ain't tying with it.

#22 FrequentTyer

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 07:39 PM

Ummm, no thanks rolleyes.gif
But this does remind me of Vince Mariano's description of using porcupine quill for forming extended bodies. I could never imagine a fish mouthing a porcupine quill!

#23 riffleriversteelheadslayer

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 08:20 PM

QUOTE (FrequentTyer @ Oct 18 2010, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ummm, no thanks rolleyes.gif
But this does remind me of Vince Mariano's description of using porcupine quill for forming extended bodies. I could never imagine a fish mouthing a porcupine quill!

added hooking power hysterical.gif actually I use quills alot they wark great

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 03:20 PM

QUOTE (Bryan Wright @ Oct 12 2010, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (DHC @ Oct 12 2010, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (riffleriversteelheadslayer @ Oct 11 2010, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
holy crap if you can't make a fly float with hackle cdc or something else what makes you think an air bubble will work any better plus with the added weight of the heat shrink tube I'm not so sure it would float anyway



Specific Gravity of THIN WALL CROSS-LINKED POLYOLEFIN in clear is .95 which means it floats without any air bubble. Colored thin wall products weigh more up to a specific gravity of 1.4


Okay you lost me with that one.


What he's saying is their pproduct is significantly lighter than the other leading brands by a total of .45 and idk what units are in use here...

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 03:19 PM

Attached File  wonder4.jpg   72.21KB   0 downloads This is a pattern that has worked extremely well. When I first tied it I wondered if it would work, when it did I wondered why -- Thus the Wonder Bug.  To see the recipe follow this link https://unsinkablefl...wonder-bug.html



#26 DHC

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 05:42 PM

Ever evolving heat shrink flies