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[ikerajala]

Hi I have wooley bugger trouble.After a little use my wooley buggers look like this.They just sort of slip off the back of their hook.I got to tie a dozen of these for project healing waters, and I don't want to dissapoint some veteran on his fishing trip.Or is it from my poor casting?Any suggestions would be of great help!

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[MowestFlyfisher]

Hi I have wooley bugger trouble.After a little use my wooley buggers look like this.They just sort of slip off the back of their hook.I got to tie a dozen of these for project healing waters, and I don't want to dissapoint some veteran on his fishing trip.Or is it from my poor casting?Any suggestions would be of great help!

what it looks like to me is that you may not be tying it tight enough on the hook. If you can explain how you are tying it it may help us help you out a little bit better.

[JSzymczyk]

Hi I have wooley bugger trouble.After a little use my wooley buggers look like this.They just sort of slip off the back of their hook.I got to tie a dozen of these for project healing waters, and I don't want to dissapoint some veteran on his fishing trip.Or is it from my poor casting?Any suggestions would be of great help!

my impression is that you are not tying in the materials "tight" enough. The marabou should be bound down to the entire hook shank, firmly and very evenly, the chenille needs to be wrapped very firmly and evenly rear to front, and same with whatever method you choose to wrap the hackle. Also it has been my experience over decades of using buggers A LOT, that if the hackle turns are far enough apart to look like a "spiral", the fly will tend to twist quite a bit. That's minor though compared to having it come apart. If you could possibly use a macro (close) focus for your pic, it would help other board members see what's going on.

[ikerajala]

This is one of flies I tied from a wapsi kit I got this winter.I tied it as the instructions suggested.It has a lead under body.and is tied with ultra chenille and I probably didn't tie it tight enough is all.

[ikerajala]

Hi I have wooley bugger trouble.After a little use my wooley buggers look like this.They just sort of slip off the back of their hook.I got to tie a dozen of these for project healing waters, and I don't want to dissapoint some veteran on his fishing trip.Or is it from my poor casting?Any suggestions would be of great help!

my impression is that you are not tying in the materials "tight" enough. The marabou should be bound down to the entire hook shank, firmly and very evenly, the chenille needs to be wrapped very firmly and evenly rear to front, and same with whatever method you choose to wrap the hackle. Also it has been my experience over decades of using buggers A LOT, that if the hackle turns are far enough apart to look like a "spiral", the fly will tend to twist quite a bit. That's minor though compared to having it come apart. If you could possibly use a macro (close) focus for your pic, it would help other board members see what's going on.

I took the picture with my moms cellphone and thats baically all I got to take pictures with:(

[gaeronf]

Also, if you have sally hansons hard as nails, put that on after each step for a bomb proof bugger. For example, i do it after i put on the lead, after i tie in the tail, after i have everything tied in (before i wrap chenille) and at the end of the fly.

[ikerajala]

Hi I have wooley bugger trouble.After a little use my wooley buggers look like this.They just sort of slip off the back of their hook.I got to tie a dozen of these for project healing waters, and I don't want to dissapoint some veteran on his fishing trip.Or is it from my poor casting?Any suggestions would be of great help!

what it looks like to me is that you may not be tying it tight enough on the hook. If you can explain how you are tying it it may help us help you out a little bit better.

Maybe what I should do is tie a piece of chenille on then break it off just to test its tensile strength.

[ikerajala]

Also, if you have sally hansons hard as nails, put that on after each step for a bomb proof bugger. For example, i do it after i put on the lead, after i tie in the tail, after i have everything tied in (before i wrap chenille) and at the end of the fly.

I will definetely try this.

[rstout]

If you are using a lead underbody, makes sure the lead is wrapped tight and compact. The wraps need to be side by side. Then overwrap the lead completely with thread and then cover with Sally Hansons. You can continue tying while it is drying if Sally's isn't to thick. Then tie in the marabou at the tail and wrap the full length of the hook securing the marabou tightly. Same with chenille and hackle. I always wrap wire through the hackle counter wrapped tightly. This is what I do. Hope it helps.

[ikerajala]

If you are using a lead underbody, makes sure the lead is wrapped tight and compact. The wraps need to be side by side. Then overwrap the lead completely with thread and then cover with Sally Hansons. You can continue tying while it is drying if Sally's isn't to thick. Then tie in the marabou at the tail and wrap the full length of the hook securing the marabou tightly. Same with chenille and hackle. I always wrap wire through the hackle counter wrapped tightly. This is what I do. Hope it helps.

I will have to try using wire rib.This bugger had no ribbing.

[rstout]

If you are using a lead underbody, makes sure the lead is wrapped tight and compact. The wraps need to be side by side. Then overwrap the lead completely with thread and then cover with Sally Hansons. You can continue tying while it is drying if Sally's isn't to thick. Then tie in the marabou at the tail and wrap the full length of the hook securing the marabou tightly. Same with chenille and hackle. I always wrap wire through the hackle counter wrapped tightly. This is what I do. Hope it helps.

I will have to try using wire rib.This bugger had no ribbing.

I use the wire to prevent fish from breaking the hackle stem. The best advice is to start with a solid base, keep everything tight, tie off a solid head and you shouldn't have any more slippage.

[utyer]

More important than testing the strength of your chenille, is to test the break point of your thread. Wrap on near the bend, and pull til you break it. Then you will get a feel for just how tight you can wrap with that thread. Test each different weight of thread you use, until you have a feel for their streangths.

You will still want to tie everything in the full lenght of the hook, and if using lead, that should be wrapped first, and then overwrapped with severial layers of thread. A little glue over these wraps is good.

[Old Hat]

You may be going too far back with the material as well. Marabou is a little slippery. If too far back and not tie in tight, it will surely slip over the bend of the hook. Many beginner tiers just do not tie tight enough for fear of breaking their thread. I tell all I teach if your not breaking your thread your not tying tight enough. It takes practice but you should be tying just under the breaking point of your thread.

[yetavon]

I will agree with you have something not tight enough, and Sally's is the bomb. I would suggest you take that Bugger, put it in a vise, and carefully cut it apart and see if its the lead that slipped back taking everything else with it.
Darrin