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Upside Down Frog Tutorial


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#1 Txredraider

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Posted 10 June 2011 - 09:03 PM

I've lurked here for quite a while, but stuck to my local board for posting because I didn't think I really had anything novel to contribute. I thought some of you might like to see how I've been tying the Upside Down Frog (UDF) I've been using lately. I've heard some complaints that others are having trouble finding a pattern that stays hook point up even after it gets good and waterlogged. I thought this tutorial might clear up some issues they were having.

The bug I based this on was Kevin Doran's KDR Rat. Anything good that comes of all this is credit to him and anything bad is something I messed up. My apologies to him for mangling his fine creation. There was also a pattern I found on here a few months back called a Matbuster (I think) that was inspirational. I offer the same apologies to its creator as well. :)

Materials:
-Spinner bait skirt
-Grey chenille
-0.30 lead wire
-Deer body hair in green, yellow, and cream
-White 210 Thread
-Gamakatsu (HAI!) B10S hook in size 2

Secure the hook in the vise with the point down. Lay down a thread base to a bit behind the barb on the hookshank. Tie in a bundle of the skirt material in line with the hook point. The skirt should be just a bit longer than the hook itself. It's very important that you tie in the skirt so that it lays above the hook as we currently have it in the vise. That way, when the frog is in the water, the weight of the skirt as it dangles in a most tantalizing manner will help it stay hook point up.
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Wrap a length of the lead wire slightly shorter than the hook around the hookshank just in front of and around the skirt material.
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Tie in the chenille just in front of the lead wire and make a few thread wraps to secure the chenille on top of where the skirt is tied in at the back of the frog. Advance your thread to nearly the hook eye.
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Tightly wrap the chenille forward and secure it just behind the hook eye, being careful to leave room for finishing the frog later.
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Rotate the frog in the vise so that the hook point is now on top of the shank. Take a few thread wraps towards the back of the hook so that your bobbin is opposite the hook shank.
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Get a bundle of the deer hair that is relatively small, about 1/3 of the diameter of a pencil is what I used here. Lay it on top of and parallel to the hook shank. Make three loose wraps of thread around the deer hair.
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While holding the deer hair in place on top of the hook shank, carefully pull the thread tight to flare it. We're not trying to spin it, but instead to stack it in place.
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Advance the thread towards the hook eye a bit and tie in another bundle of deer hair of about the same size. Hold it in place and flare it just like the last.
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Here is a front view to illustrate how we want the deer hair to be on top of the hook shank.
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To be continued...

We've got room for two more bundles of deer hair. Make these a bit thicker than the last. About 2/3 of a pencil in thickness seems about right.
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Wait. Where did the thread and bobbin go? I pulled a bit too hard flaring the deer hair and ended up breaking the thread. I don't recommend following my tying that closely. Here we are. Back on track.
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Here is another front view so you can see how the hook shank is well below where the deer hair starts. This will also help keep the hook point up.
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Whip finish the frog, cut the thread, and give the whip finish a good coating of head cement (or Sally's Hard as Nails if you're a cheapskate like me). The thick rubber band helps keep the deer hair out of my way when I whip finish. It's yet another great reason to eat asparagus: free fly tying tools in every bunch.
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Now look at the picture above and draw an imaginary line from the hook eye to just above the hook point. That's where we will be trimming. You don't have to use this diver shape, but I like the way it swims in the water. I'm sure a more traditional flat faced popper would work well too.Posted Image

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A few passes with the safety razor blade yields us this little jewel.
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To finish the UDF, I like to carefully push the deer hair down with my finger in front of the hook to make sure that there is enough clearance for a good hook set. There was not in this case, so I did a bit of trimming in front of the hook point.
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Here's the finished product with a good view of that sharp hook hiding in the deer hair.
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Here's a side view.

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You can add eyes or other legs as you see fit, but this version has been working well for me. I'd like to add eyes, but I'm a bit afraid they might act as a snag point.

The only times I've actually gotten this fly hung up was when my fly line got wrapped around the stem of lily pads and I got in too big of a hurry trying to extract it.

Last, but not least, here's some proof that it works:

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Here are some variations on the theme, including (clockwise, left to right) a bream streamer, a copper nose bream colored UDF, and an orange UDF with a different style of tying in the skirt. I call that modification the Gib Style Butt after a friend on another board named Gib suggested using the skirt to better simulate legs. That'll teach him to make valid suggestions. :)

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And one last one that I call a Mohawk Sunfish.

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#2 MowestFlyfisher

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Posted 10 June 2011 - 09:30 PM

that is one killer frog and I bet you can cast it into bass havens like some very heavy weed beds and mats.
"Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after."

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#3 Txredraider

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 03:16 PM

Thank you for the compliment. I've been looking for something like it for the last couple of years. The lake I fish most of the time has a lot of American Pondweed, which is very fragile stuff. The slightest snag with a fly and you're pulling five pounds of it in the boat with you. This pattern actually skates through it very well, unless you get in too much of a hurry. I'm afraid if it were any more weedless, it might be fishless as well.

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 03:25 PM

Great tutorial, and some very nice patters as well. I'll bet any thing you can work though heavy cover (weeds) will bring strikes. I will have to try some of those.
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Posted 11 June 2011 - 03:42 PM

upsidedown frog.really cool,have to try to tie some up.ripin' lips on those largmouth.Great tie.


keep on chuckin'
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Posted 11 June 2011 - 04:27 PM

pretty easy and to the point..i like it,,gonna have to fix me up some

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 03:13 PM

Thanks, folks. I have been looking for something that was easy to tie, but still as weedless as possible for a while now. When you lash fur and feathers as badly as I do (I make up for being sloppy by tying slowly too...I'm a double threat. :) ), you need something simple and hard to mess up.

This might actually be a good bug for those just starting out with deer hair since you're just trying to flare it, not spin it or stack it. Also, a less dense deer hair bug, like this one is intended to be, rides nice and low in the water, just like a frog or wounded baitfish. You could tie it more dense if you wanted it to ride higher, but just remember to trim the body so that it will compress enough to allow for a good hookset.

The UDF can leave a bubble trail, pop, or just make one heck of a wake, depending on how you work it in the wet stuff. The deerhair above the hookshank, coupled with the skirt hanging off the bottom of it and the lead wire make it almost impossible for this bug to turn hook point down. I don't know that the lead wire is strictly necessary, but I've always been a belt and suspenders kind of redneck engineer.

An interesting side note: the bream pattern in the group picture based on the same deerhair-as-a-weedguard concept are probably the closest thing I've found to a soft plastic fluke with regard to action in the water. I haven't tested the Mohawk Sunfish yet, but I expect a similar action.

I'd certainly love to hear any suggestions any of y'all had to improve any of those patterns.

Lastly, I hope I posted this in the right forum. If not, please let me know.

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 08:55 AM

that is a great pattern. To a degree it is similar to a d'mouse pattern that is used in western canada for large caddis flies emerging in the evening about this time of year. great ideas. will have to give some a whirl.
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Posted 13 June 2011 - 01:48 PM

I haven't seen the d'mouse pattern that you describe, but I'm not surprised it's similar. There are just too many of us tying these days and too many tyers who passed before us to think that many of these ideas are completely original. I'm just grateful for forums like this one where we can go to get some "new" inspiration and not have to reinvent the wheel every time.

Good luck in tying a few up. They can't be that hard, I can tie them. :)