Welcome to FlyTyingForum.com
FlyTyingForum.com is the largest fly tying community in the world and we hope you take a moment to register for a free account and join this amazingly friendly and helpful group of anglers. FTF has over 12,000 registered members that have made over 300,000 posts and have uploaded over 6,000 patterns to our exclusive fly pattern database!
If you are an experienced fly tier or just starting out FTF is the perfect place to call home. Click Here To Register for a Free Account
|Fly Pattern Database / Browse by Topics / Browse by Material / Fly Tying Bench Database / Fly Fishing & Tying Videos / FTFCurrent(NEW!)|
|Featured Products: Fly Tying Hooks / Fly Tying Scissors / Waterproof Fly Boxes|
Posted 14 September 2012 - 07:26 AM
Posted 14 September 2012 - 07:28 AM
Posted 14 September 2012 - 08:44 AM
As far as the knot I use to attach hooks to tippets, I use the Improved Clinch Knot. Though I have not used it, the Davy Knot appears to have it's place in one's 'arsenal' of knots.
If the leading "theory" on knot failure in mono is correct, and I have no idea as to it's veracity, the heat-of-friction generated when it slides across/over itself, especially while being drawn tight, is the culprit. This is why it is recommended to moisten the material before drawing a knot tight. The moisture 'supposedly' helps cool it. If all of this is true, it seems to stand to reason that a knot with as few points where the material can rub against itself while being tightened would be the strongest.
Just my thoughts on the subject.
Posted 14 September 2012 - 09:04 AM
Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:40 PM
See this link for one testers results: http://www.fieldands...t-fishing-knots
Also google "knot war".
I use the improved Davy knot for fly to tippet connections if the tippet is 5X or bigger. It is so quick and easy to tie, but will slip when used on small diameter line. I use the clinch and improved clinch knot for 5X or smaller tippet.
I much prefer the fisherman's loop (actually a slight variation) to the perfection loop. The size of the loop is much easier to control and the knot is slightly smaller. I don't know which is stronger.
Posted 19 September 2012 - 05:02 AM
Does anyone know
Where the Love of God goes
When the waves
Turn the minutes to hours?
Posted 19 September 2012 - 07:18 AM
Spools of line back then (and still today) usually over tested the claimed rating (and occasionally they were just mis-labeled from the outfit that sold them....).
For fly gear I divide leader systems into single line with no shock tippet and leaders with a shock tippet. The knots for each vary quite a bit. If I'm using a "Poor Boy" leader (essentially just a straight single strength leader in the 20 to 30lb range that's four to five feet long) one end has a single Surgeon's loop that will connect that portion of the leader to the leader butt (a heavier piece of mono that is permanently attached to the end of the fly line with one or two nail knots and has another Surgeon's loop at the bitter end (4' of 30lb for a 7wt, 4' of 40lb for an 8wt, 4.5' of 40lb for a 9wt, all the way up to 6' of 60lb mono for an 11 or 12wt...). These days the Poor Boy is generally fluorocarbon... and the knot attaching the fly is just about always a loop knot, I prefer the Improved Homer Rhode knot...
Once you start adding a "shock tippet" (better named a bite tippet, since it's there when you're working fish with very abrasive jaws like tarpon or snook) things get complicated pretty quickly. If I'm staying with just single strength line my usual connection is a Slim Beauty knot (it used to be a Blood knot). Once you get up to where you're needing the absolute strongest leaders then each end of the tippet (or breaking strength, the way IGFA records are maintained....) then I use a Bimini Twist at each end before tying that Surgeon's loop (now a doubled Surgeon's loop) or connecting the other doubled end to a shock tippet using a Hufnagle or Slim Beauty knot. This complicated stuff becomes necessary when you're using heavy shock tippets with fairly light tippets (20 to 40, 20 to 60, 20 to 80, for example).
The results are a two part leader (whether single strength or with the more complicated shock tippet leader) that is connected loop to loop and very quick to change out for different conditions, different species, etc. Combining the length of the butt section with the Poor Boy usually gives you a nine to ten foot leader, with the shock tippet, about nine feet as a standard. When bonefishing I either use a manufactured tapered leader or tie my own using the Ritz formula and loop it to the butt (with a seven foot tapered leader that gives you an 11 foot leader with an 8wt...
AS you can guess this entire topic is complicated enough that a single magazine article won't quite cover it all. Most of the above is from an article I wrote a few years ago for a magazine....
Posted 19 September 2012 - 08:09 AM
Posted 19 September 2012 - 08:22 AM
I always carry a clearly marked pack of pre-tied butt sections and packs of pre-tied tippets with loop-to-loop connections. Trying to tie a complicated knot correctly with ten thumbs while fish are busting all over the place is difficult, even for experienced anglers.
Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:07 AM
This in only how I attach terminal tackle and may not be the most effecient.