[flymaster]

Hey guys first off sorry I ask so many questions. And thanks for all the help in the past. But what I was wondering is could you make knoted leaders using a perfection loop to loop all the way up . People use it for the tippet section for ease of change but why not all the way up. It is so easy to tie and stronger than the blood or any other knot i have found. JUst wondering?!

[Joe Hard]

I use them and find that you dont want to make the loops either too big or too small,keep the open part of the loop to arround 1/2 inch or 5/8 of an inch.
To small they are to hard to change and to large they will hinge usually when you need them to preform the most.
I am not home but when I get there ther are some knots and leader info that I will dig up for you.

[Sean Juan]

The draw back is a loop to loop connection catches more weeds, and it also doubles the number of knots you need to tie - need two loops to make one connection - since the knot is the weakest part of your leader this isn't a good thing.

A Furled leader is the way to go for the fisherman who wants to minimize knots, tie four or five of them at home some cold winter day and you are set for the year - if not longer.

[atroutbum2]

As for making a leader using only perfection loops, you could do it. But you shouldnt because the perfection loop is only an 85% knot. At the thick end of the leader , it shouldnt matter, but when you are getting to the tippet end, that loss of strength can be critical. If you were to insist on using a loop to loop connection on your entire leader, i would suggest,at least on the tippet end, using a knot that tests close to 100%. The bimini twist is one but it is a pain in the a.... to tie.(i fish mainly for trout and steelhead, if i fished saltwater, i probabily would have perfected the dam thing.) Leftys non slip mono loop tests at about 95%, but i havent used it on a loop to loop connection. I have used the triple surgons loop and am satisified with it, its easy to tie and close to 100%. One thing to remember on the loop to loop connection,when forming the connection, you want it to look like a square knot, when it forms the larks head (girth hitch is another name for it) ,it weakens the connection.

[flymaster]

Lsat night after the post i done some research. I first tested the fast and easy leader knot to the blood knot. The blood knot won 2 outta 3 times. Then I tested the perfection loop to loop method and the blood knot broke everytime. I even used the same perfection loop all three time and broke the blood knot. SO survey says the perfection loop is a strong SOB. I have used it going on 5 years when attaching tippet to orvis braided loop to loop leaders. I ahve attached 10# down to 2# tippet to these on my 4wt, 5wt, and 6wt rods almost always the knot will never break. I think it would be closer to a 100% knot than any out there. I also learned a new trick last night found it on the www it is called a off shore loop to loop. You instead of running the loops by each other once do it twice I need to test it but looks strong. Really my concern with the loops on the knotted leader would be the hinge factor. But I believe that as daryn smith said keep the loops little and that should cut down on that. Well as soon as the leader kit comes in I can do research and find out what works. The main reason I want to tie leaders is for Bass fishing to turn over big bugs. Tie short heavy butted leaders and should help turn over bigger poppers on the 6wt. I am trying to avoid buying a telephone pole like a 8wt rod to throw them on. I can cast what I want to on the 6wt but distance is a factor and not so graceful with the big stuff on it. Thanks for the comments and keep them coming!