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#166 tjm

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 09:07 PM

thanks guys.

 

Hey, I was reading about the micro fibers from man made materials (like those in these mops) getting into

water systems and not being able to be filtered out by water treatment facilities and ending up in the human body

and possibly causing serious heath concerns.

 

anyone else hear about this?

don't ask me where I read this, I cant remember, sorry.

Yeah, and it comes from all synthetics, ends up in fish and even shows up in table salt in China, makes 85% of human debris found in coastal waters, according to one study.

Patagonia is doing research on how to reduce the problem with their clothing line, etc etc net search microfiber+health or something like that, maybe Patagonia + microfiber

Really is nothing new, just it is now getting some attention.



#167 fshng2

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 12:58 PM

Mop Minnow

Hook: #2-4X

Tail: Rabbit

Body: MoP

Wing: Deer

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#168 fshng2

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 01:11 PM

MoP Creature

Hook: EC 253 1/0

Body: MoP Two Layer

Under-wing: Mottled Pheasant over

FTD Hot White Pearl Web (It's translucent and really sparkles)

Wing: Deer

 

Two Layer MoP Body Process:

This is the current process I have found to work for mops that require more bulk.

I use a gel adhesive (rigid adhesive) or tear mender (flexible adhesive) depending on the application.

 

First Layer Body & Tail

Apply 2 tight base layers of flat wax nylon to the hook.

Tie in the 1st MoP at two hook eyes lengths from the front of the hook.

Now glue the remaining MoP length with CA gel adhesive, extending to the tail.

 

Second Layer Belly & Head

Finish the fly and tie in the 2nd MoP (1-1/2" long piece) under the wing tie in point with two wraps and a half hitch.

Keep the 2nd MoP away from area to be glued.

Apply CA gel sparingly to the underside of the 1st MoP.

(To do this, first apply the gel to a toothpick then to the MoP, this minimizes the gel that is applied.)

Also only apply the gel at 2/3 the length away from the wing tie in point and up to the hook eye.

Press the rear section of the MoP into the glue as shown and wrap the front remaining length around the hook to form the head.

Tie off the MoP with tying thread and trim away the excess.

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#169 rich mc

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 03:02 PM

at a quick glance i see a mop muddler there, almost.     keep the variants coming



#170 fshng2

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Posted 01 January 2018 - 12:27 PM

Yep you're right Rich a MoP/Muddler would be a great combo.
Thanks...stay tuned.

#171 denduke

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Posted 01 January 2018 - 02:24 PM

OK sports fans....just had to do eyes on a Muddler....not sure if the hopper will float welll...."Drowned Hopper"
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#172 Mike West

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Posted 01 January 2018 - 05:18 PM

Denduke,
Those are going to catch fish, nice job!

#173 rich mc

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Posted 01 January 2018 - 06:30 PM

 Mop fly tyers check out the mop fly material swap    rich



#174 mikechell

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Posted 01 January 2018 - 06:53 PM

I haven't done it, yet, but I plan on soaking a mop fly with water repellent.  I think that the microfibers will hold it well.  After it dries, I am pretty sure it will float like a balsa popper!


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#175 fshng2

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Posted 01 January 2018 - 10:29 PM

Awesome work on the Muddler/MoP and Pop/Mop Denduke.

These should float and fish similar to some I've tied.

Heads partially out of the water with tails-a-waggin.

 

Mike I like your idea.

I am curious what a difference it will make to the fly's action.

Microfibers that are formulated for Mops and cleaning products are made to wick liquids.

Because of this they should easily wick any liquid including a water repellent.



#176 Camp'n'fish

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 02:54 PM

Just curious, are mop flies neutrally buoyant? It seems like they would absorb too much water for dry flies.

#177 mikechell

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 02:57 PM

Camp,

Without anything on it, the mop gets waterlogged quickly.  But they don't sink fast.   They might be neutral at some depth, but they will sink to the bottom in 6 feet of water ... eventually.


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#178 Philly

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 03:19 PM

They sink slowly as they absorb the water, as Mike said.  Depending of the speed of the current, they might seem to suspend.  All mine, for now, are tied with a bead head so that they will sink.  The longer ones I retrieve like a streamer/bait fish pattern.  The nymph size ones will eventually get down to the bottom and bounce along it.   Haven't done too much combining them with foam or other floating material.  Did do a green inch worm pattern with the front part a piece of a small foam cylinder and a mop piece for the tail.  It floated in the surface film, nicely, with the foam part visible.   With floating mop flies I think it will depend on the amount and placement of the foam.  A gurgler with a full foam body, should act like a normal gurgler, maybe riding a bit lower in the water.  With the foam forward on the hook, it should sit tail down and then straighten out and swim on the surface when retrieved.   I plan to give Mike's idea of treating the pieces with water repellent a try.  I've often seen leeches swimming just below or at the surface in several of the lakes I fish.  A floating mop fly in olive or black should be deadly. 


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#179 fshng2

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 08:47 PM

Just curious, are mop flies neutrally buoyant? It seems like they would absorb too much water for dry flies.

 

Just like Mike and Philly said mops can't float by themselves.

A MoP fly will float but it needs help from other material to float like foam, deer hair etc.

The tails on these flys were saturated with water and are floating in 3" of water.

Some are floating better than others.

 

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 04:29 PM

Hellgrammite MoP

 

Hook: #12-3x

Weight: 2ea .025 lead twisted and tied to make hook ride up

Head/Thorax: One has turkey feather the other doesn't

Body/Legs: Acrylic eyelash yarn from Rich MC

Tail: Black MoP

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