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Stacked deerhair question?


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#1 Adam Saarinen

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 01:20 PM

Thinking of making a bass bug as another fly for a tying competition i'm in & the amount of deer belly hair I have in different colours is limited! Can i use bucktail for just making a coloured circle ring? Then would be a belly deerhair spot in the middle! And if so, should I use the hair from the tip of the tail? Or from the base near the butt? And should i use the hair closet to the tips? Or the hair closest to the tail itself? Any help from the deerhair experts that i know are members on this site is very much appreciated! I have no dying experience & not enough time to learn! Happy Thanksgiving! Adam

#2 Mike West

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 01:43 PM

Forget trying to use Bucktail but if do(and it can be done)use the end closest to the hide...from the options you listed yes you can use markers to color the hair, I do it all the time.
Best bet for that is once you have it all trimmed is to paint the area you want to color with some thinned flex cement/ Liquid fussion or something. Because the hair wont move around on you so much,it will take the color better and you will be more accurate with Staying in the lines

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#3 Adam Saarinen

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 02:37 PM

Thank you Mike West! Not sure if it's what you mean? But i just had a look in my room for a blue sharpie, but i think it's in the shed? Will look tomorrow & cut off a piece of white belly hair still on the skin from a patch, comb it well & colour it blue & give it hopefully enough drying time!

#4 Fisherboy0301

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 02:52 PM

Thank you Mike West! Not sure if it's what you mean? But i just had a look in my room for a blue sharpie, but i think it's in the shed? Will look tomorrow & cut off a piece of white belly hair still on the skin from a patch, comb it well & colour it blue & give it hopefully enough drying time!



I believe he meant to just use the white hair and color it once it's trimmed and finished.
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#5 Bimini15

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 03:11 PM

If you dont have belly hair, use the hair found on the part of the bucktail that was connected to the body of the animal.
That hair is coarser and flares better, but it is also shorter and not straight, so hopefully your bucktail has a bit that you can use.
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#6 Mike West

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 03:17 PM

Yep thats what I meant
I have some examples of deer hair bugs colored with markers but they are all on Photobucket
If I can transfer them real quick to show you I will.

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These have been colored with a marker in one way or an other.
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6716_B208_A5_A9_455_D_BFA1_366_B2962_F02

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 04:38 PM

I've used permanent markers to color feathers and marabou.  No reason it shouldn't work on deer hair.  One suggestion if you're going to use a permanent marker, get one with a wide tip.  It's a pain in the butt to color a bunch of material using the typical "Sharpie" point.  For feathers and marabou, I usually let  them dry about a half hour.   Nice thing about being retired is I can take a break and do something.   Which was tie a white deer hair bug.  I used Mike's suggestion though without the flexament to see what the result would be.

 

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I also tried coloring a bunch of hair.  That's still drying.  My concern is that the permanent marker won't penetrate the hair so when you trim it, you'll still have white showing.  I'd go with Mike's suggestion I think you would get better results.


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#8 Adam Saarinen

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Posted 25 November 2017 - 02:24 PM

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#9 Bruce Derington

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Posted 25 November 2017 - 10:08 PM

Here"s one I tied years ago. stacking hair is easy once you understand how to manipulate materials, keep up the good work

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#10 Adam Saarinen

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 02:11 PM

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#11 Bruce Derington

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 02:14 PM

I think popper turned out nicely. I read an old artical by Tim England, now that guy could tie some bugs. He got me hooked on tying with hair, that I fly I posted was one I copied from him, he called it Lizzy's Frog



#12 Adam Saarinen

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 02:16 PM

Thank you!