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#16 dflanagan

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 08:24 PM

Thanks for the responses, guys. Lots of good stuff to think about.

I guess I did kind of lump stocked, wild/holdover, and native trout together when asking why trout are so revered. While they might be the same species, they're completely different animals in a sense. And I really hadn't thought about it from the point of view of those fishermen who just prefer trout to other species. Not sure why. I grew up fishing for bass almost exclusively and I know people who fish for crappie or catfish almost exclusively. I think maybe it's just a difference in the way people talk about these different species that's got me hung up.

I haven't seen any deformities coming out of Roaring River, curios where you are seeing this and which hatchery?
Wonder if they are healed injuries?

After some reading, I think what I've been seeing are injuries from the raceways and maybe fin clipping and not genetic deformities. Lots of missing pectoral fins and gill plates that look worn away, exposing the gills. Glad you and others brought it up. I think MDC does a good job overall and hated to think they were perpetuating bad genes.

Thanks, guys. I've got a lot to learn about trout.

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 09:47 PM

Guys that fish for crappies and catfish usually do so because they taste so darn good!

I don't believe I have ever caught true native trout, or char, although I am certain I have caught stream bred steelhead in far upstream reaches of small Lake Erie tributary branches.  I have also fished where there are stream bred, possibly native brook trout.  In northwest PA most streams get too warm to sustain trout or char year round, although a small population does in some places.  Stream bred are not native.  Not far from me some waters do support year round populations, those waters are being studied and accounted for in an ever improving management program by the state.

 

Streams that sustain significant natural populations should not be stocked.  Stocked fish in those areas diminish natural reproduction.  Stocking is a way of making a stream carry enough fish to support the fishing pressure.  Many streams around either reach too warm of temperatures in the summer, do not have proper spawning substrate, or both.  So stock them, catch them, eat them if you want.

 

The great lakes steelhead fishery I enjoy so much is entirely simulated and although some fish do reproduce, and some fish return to the lake to run again next year, most are stocked in the streams as smolts to be raised in the big water, only to return in a few years, eat an egg sac and be threaded onto a yellow rope.  Other fates are possible, but its basically put and take.

I reguard real native trout like real western steelhead, better fish from a better fishery. 

I enjoy stocked fish, from walleye to browns to steelhead, but I don't put them on no pedistal over natives or stream bred



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Posted 06 December 2017 - 11:22 AM

What are the other options. We have, globally, too many people for a finite amount of resources. Fish farming, hatchery raised fish, etc. are the solutions we have come up with as people for our inability to limit reproduction as a species. We need to strive for zpg.

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 12:13 PM

What are the other options. We have, globally, too many people for a finite amount of resources. Fish farming, hatchery raised fish, etc. are the solutions we have come up with as people for our inability to limit reproduction as a species. We need to strive for zpg.

YEAH !!!  ZPG ... or better yet, reduction.

 

Kudu ... you just jumped about 95% on my "I like this person" list.  (You were already up there pretty high, so .... )


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