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Mar 13 2005, 07:49 PM

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Stonefly Pictures

This is my Smokey Mountain Stonefly

Can Anyone Identify it 100% Positive Scientific I.D.

It is found in Westren North Carolina

Thanks

Smokey

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Taxon View Member Profile	Mar 14 2005, 12:17 AM Post #2
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 368 Joined: 15-December 04 From: WA, USA Member No.: 1741	Smokey- Plephemera hoaxi. -------------------- Roger Rohrbeck www.FlyfishingEntomology.com

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Mar 19 2005, 05:11 AM

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QUOTE (Taxon @ Mar 14 2005, 12:17 AM)

Smokey-

Plephemera hoaxi.

Hey guys, I was just making a really bad joke. How about someone taking a honest crack at identifying smokey's stonefly, even if just to family?

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CrustySpinnr View Member Profile	Mar 26 2005, 06:38 AM Post #4
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 24-November 04 From: Beaverkill Member No.: 1620	Paragnetina Media would be my best guess. Information coming from "Stoneflies for the angler" by Eric Leiser & Robert H.Boyle. It seems to match the picture and description. Hope this helps some. -------------------- Insanity,repeating the same mistakes over and over again but expecting different results.

Tim Smith View Member Profile	Mar 26 2005, 10:03 AM Post #5
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 95 Joined: 8-February 04 From: Truro, Nova Scotia Member No.: 537	Peltoperlidae maybe? Common Name: Roach like Stone fly Family Name: Peltoperlidae Feeding Group: Shredder -T

smokeymountainst... smokeymountainstonefly View Member Profile	Mar 26 2005, 12:56 PM Post #6
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 132 Joined: 17-January 05 From: WNC Member No.: 1931	I appreciate the help guys. Unfortunately Paragnetina Media is not known to exist in North Carolina, and as for Peltoperlidae, ther are only 3 known species in North Carolina. Peltoperlidae Chloroperlinae Tallaperla Anna Cornelia Maria I have sent pics to Dave Martin, Dale Beamish, and Paul Whillock. Through Discussion with these guys we believe it to be: Perlidae Acroneuriini Acronneuria Lycorias I have attached a link to my North Carolina Stonefly List which contains a link to the North American Stonefly list North Carolina Stonefly List Smokey -------------------- Tight Lines and Cold Beer !!!!!!!!!

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Mar 26 2005, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE (smokeymountainstonefly @ Mar 26 2005, 12:56 PM)

I have sent pics to Dave Martin, Dale Beamish, and Paul Whillock. Through Discussion with these guys we believe it to be: Perlidae Acroneuriini Acronneuria Lycorias

Smokey

Smokey-

One of my references has nymphal pictures of both Acroneuria lycorias and Acroneuria internata. The dorsal thorax patterns that show up on a lightened copy of your Stonefly%203 photograph are strikingly similar to A. internata, and much less like A. lycorias.

I realize that Stark doesn't list Acroneuria internata as being in North Carolina, but the species is listed for both Virginia and Georgia, which are pretty darned close (above and below) Western North Carolina, where they could easily exist in insufficient numbers to have been formally reported.

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stonefly86 View Member Profile	Mar 26 2005, 04:40 PM Post #8
Bait Fisherman Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 26-March 05 From: central Pa Member No.: 2464	Acroneuria lycorias has anal gills I would be more inclined to think it is Acroneuria abnormis or A. carolinensis, they do not have anal gills

smokeymountainst... smokeymountainstonefly View Member Profile	Mar 26 2005, 07:30 PM Post #9
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 132 Joined: 17-January 05 From: WNC Member No.: 1931	I appreciate it. Thanks guys Smokey -------------------- Tight Lines and Cold Beer !!!!!!!!!

Davy View Member Profile	Mar 26 2005, 08:19 PM Post #10
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 659 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Willamette Valley, Oregon Member No.: 1841	how about = Furry Little Stone ? dang -------------------- [b][b]All the best, Davy Dave Earl Silverton, Oregon, USA

CrustySpinnr View Member Profile	Mar 30 2005, 09:18 PM Post #11
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 24-November 04 From: Beaverkill Member No.: 1620	According to the book I mentioned in my previous post, Paragnetina Media are found in North Carolina. I found the book in my local library. Been reading to kill the winter months. Might be wrong but ......... the description also mentioned that the nymph "looked like it needed a shave" especially the legs. Who knows maybe they are not found in many large numbers there anymore? -------------------- Insanity,repeating the same mistakes over and over again but expecting different results.

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