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  1. On 12/1/2022 at 11:58 AM, chugbug27 said:

    Oh, and Schweibert has a nice chapter on the history of American nymph fishing. Let me know if you want it (7 pages) and pm me your address, I'm happy to send it.

    Yes I am sandy dot pittendrigh aaat geeemale dot com


    I'd love to have the Schwiebert stuff

  2. Nick Lyons once wrote a short piece for Fly Fisherman Magazine about a West Yellowstone fishing guide  who cursed a lot, insulted him and tried to bad vibe him into fishing streamers when Nick wanted to fish dry flies.


    There are a few Nick Lyons books out there, that look like collections of his magazine pieces. Does one of those books include the fishing guide from hell story? Which one?


    I want it (I'm writing the mirror image, about the customer from hell). I'd love to have that story to read again.


  3. I knew two of those links.  

    http://www.spencerewert.com/WesternTroutFlies/index.html is a cool place.

    I have some good flies too, at https://montana-riverboats.com/?robopage=Flies


    I will be doing some lightweight, high-level history. If I attempt more that that I'll some of it wrong, and then then I'll  get burned alive by the internet.

    I'm going to keep the history high level.  I'm having fun.


    https://castingacross.com/fly-fishing-museums/  was new for me. Thank you.


    Yes indeed. You get credit for sure.

  4. Cool stuff. Thank you all.  I have changed direction.


    I'm writing a book, mostly about Western Flies.  After great deliberation I decided to keep it simple .

    I will limit my discussion to Montana flies only, about which I do know enough to speak.  About more that than that--from me--would be a mistake.

    There are some very good historians out there. But I'm not one of them.

  5. Yes Frans Pott did have a Green Rock  Worm.  Was it a nymph or a Hair Hackle Wet Fly?  Terminology is fuzzy and misleading.


    The earliest date I can find for a USA "Nymph" is 1927 for the Tellico Nymph, from North Carolina.


    GEM Skues published Minor Tactics of the Chalk Stream in 1910.  I need that book. Perhaps there is a public domain epub.

    Skues is often referred to as "The Father of Nymph Fishing."  Does that mean he was he the first to attach the term nymph to an artificial fly?


    The 1927 Tellico Nymph was 17 years after Skues.  It might well be the earliest North American nymph fly.  If there is an earlier one I want to find it.


  6. The Zug Bug was invented by Cliff Zug, of Pennsylvania, in the early 1930s (from a goo gull search)

    The Girdle Bug goes back to the late 1930s .....a Frank McGinnis fly from Anaconda Montana. Is it a nymph or a streamer?

    The Bitch Creek was invented by "nobody knows," possibly because of Bitch Creek which flows from Montana into Idaho, possibly a few years before the Girdle Bug. 


    Does that make the Zug Bug the oldest USAmerican Nymph?  Yes there are older wet flies but maybe not that identify as "nymph"

    Ah. I forgot the Prince.  The Prince Nymph was Doug Prince, also in the 1930s sometime.


    What is the oldest not English Nymph?


  7. A history of wet flies might start with a soft hackle by Dame Juliana, although there are now some Austrian patterns that precede her. 

    But it would be almost impossible to compile because there are so many flies. So many names.  Ray Bergman alone has half a zillion squared patterns.


    There are not that many historically important nymphs.

    I'm starting a list for a project I'm working on.

    In the list below what did I miss?  

    What did I get wrong?

    Soft Hackle Dame Juliana 1496 (wet fly or nymph?)
    GEM George Edward MacKenzie Skues 1921
    Black Spinder 1850 (wet fly or nymph?)
    Green Rock Worm Frans Pott 1920?

    Tellico Nymph North Carolina 1927
    Prince Nymph Doug Prince 1930
    Zug Bug Cliff Zug 1930

    Edward Ringwood Hewitt Hard Body Nymph 1930
    Pheasant Tail Frank Sawyer 1930
    Birch Creek Unknown 1930
    Girdle Bug Frank McGinnis 1930
    Montana Nymph Unknown 1930
    Don Martinez Black Nymph 1930
    Don Martinez Black Nymph 1930

    Mossback Nymph Dan Bailey 1940
    Pat Barnes Weighted Nymph 1950

    Gold-ribbed Hare's Ear (originally a winged wet fly) First when as a nymph?
    Copper Nymph or Brassie Ken Chandler and Tug Davenport 1960

    Beadhead Nymph Italy 1970?
    Serendipidy Ross Marigold 1970

    Czech Nymphing 1980
    Perdigon Nymph Spain or France 1980s?

    Copper John John Barr 1990
    Zebra Midge Ted Welling 1990

  8. cool bugs.  In Montana there is no such thing as FF only.  Several streams in Yellowstone Park are still posted as FF only but if you ask a ranger what that means the answer is " not bait."


    Divers that float at rest are effective and relatively easy to make. Diving wigglers that sink at rest, are a bit trickier.

  9. Is it a problem, as a fly?  The image below is a closeup of a flure tied with a #10 grasshopper hook. It is too light to cast with a spinning rod.



    ...same for the following video.


    As an rapidly aging old guy I find it easiest to wade slowly downstream where ever possible, on the edges of deeper water, fishing down and across with a wiggler.  Want it to swim left?  Roll cast a big loop upstream and left.  Mend the line.  Let out slack as it drifts downstream.  In mid to late summer the fish are not hanging out on the banks anymore.  They're in deep mid-river runs.  Downstream with a diving wiggler, with a loooooong leader, is deadly.  



    If it's not a fly it isn't a lure either, because you can only use it with a fly rod, at least if you do not add lots of extra weight.  After a retina surgery that went badly it's too damned difficult to tie small flies on.  I can, kinda sorta, if I remember to take 5x jeweler's googles with me fishing.  But I don't always remember.  Knotting leader tippet to a barrel swivel is a lot easier.   And even if do get the dry flies on I can't see them anymore.   Across and down and set when I feel the tug I can do with my bad eyes closed.

  10. The hard part is brown-dyed open cell mattress foam.  I used to be able to buy it (Art Foam) but now I have to dye it myself.  Room temperature water and Rit dye--for a week or so--does it nicely.  Hot water does it instantly but then it's harder to control as per too dark or too light.


    Snip some up. Skewer it on  a needle.  Lash on two end to end lengths of gold Crystal Flash so it has tails and antennae.

    Use a sewing needle to sew in tom more criss-cross legs.  Rub some water-based fabric cement onto the bottom of the thorax area to fix the loosely sewed legs in place. Ah. The sewing needle.................I heat the eye of a needle with a cigarette lighter and then use needle nose and the barrel of a bobbin to jamb the hot eye down onto the point of another needle.  That makes a wide-eyed needle.  Narrow needle for Crystal Flash.  Fatter needle for bigger flies with rubber legs.


    More natural moose mane legs do NOT work as well as sparkly Crystal Flash legs.  Without a bead it floats half in half out of the surface tension.  With  a bead it sinks.  Sort of a miniature of the world famous (not) https://montana-riverboats.com/?robopage=Flies/Sandy-Pittendrigh/Articles/Marshmallow-Nymph.htm

  11. This one is tied on a #18 Daiici 1120.  I often tie them on the same hook at size #20

    So the overall fly size is more like 16 or 18.  A size 14 or 16 Daiichi hook would make a good green drake pattern.


    Darell asked "Is that a more realistic profile?"  Obviously yes, I think.  Perhaps the real question would be "Does that make any difference?"

    Maybe some difference but not much.  On places like the Paradise Valley (Montana) spring creeks or Silver Creek in Idaho where there are a lot of both rising fish and fishermen the fish do get hard to catch.  If any given riser refuses your favorite fly more that twice, some guides (me) will tell you to switch flies. Switch profiles. Go from a Sparkle Dun to a spent wing or an emerger.   Or to a fly like mine. Show them something different.  More different is more powerful that a little different.


     That's what they taught me when I first started guiding on the creeks.   

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