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  1. Here are the two sides of my ant/beetle box with both floaters and sinking patterns. I fish sinking beetles as well as ants. This is my version of the Ed Sutryn's McMurray Ant
  2. Ephemerella attenuata http://www.troutnut.com/hatch/429/Mayfly-Attenella-attenuata-Small-Eastern-Blue-Winged-Olive#specimens White Miller Caddis http://www.troutnut.com/hatch/2509/Caddisfly-Nectopsyche-albida-White-Miller
  3. What's the advantage over other hair stackers? It seems awfully big compared to the Renzetti hair stacker.
  4. The argument is not circular because of experimental evidence that operant conditioning exists in in fish, especially trout. Please expalin how the following experiments are "circular" per the definition below. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning There is abundant scientific evidence for operant conditioning not only in fish but specifically in trout. I refer you to The Mind of the Trout: A Cognitive Ecology for Biologists and Anglers By Thomas C. Grubb. The section below specifically addresses operant conditioning. An initial snippet is below but you can read several pages more that follow. https://books.google.com/books?id=poS_trWPaioC&pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=operant+conditioning+in+fish&source=bl&ots=8l0GzD4Hlh&sig=o7x69GBqLUiFMoGtKqUf6E1URgU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-8k6VfeSNsbVsAXOgYHADA&ved=0CCUQ6AEwATgU#v=onepage&q=operant conditioning in fish&f=false The articles below are about OC in other fish. Operant conditioning of feeding behaviour and patterns of feeding in thick lipped mullet, Crenimugil labrosus (Risso) and common carp, Cyprinus carpio (L.) [url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3312620/]Ontogeny of classical and operant learning behaviors in zebrafish[/url] There are videos of Operant Conditioning of a gold fish using a food reward. This is exactly the type of operant conditioning used by dog trainers on dogs. Explanation of the difference between classical and operant conditioning in fish: "To support my findings of this experiment, one study found that gold fish can be classically conditioned (Gonzalez et al., 1962), and another study found that rainbow trouts can learn to operate a trigger to release food, which reflects operant conditioning (Landless, 1976). https://reflectd.co/2014/05/11/even-a-fish-can-learn-aquarium-experiment-of-classical-conditioning/ Here's the bottom line. Your argument is NOT with me! Your argument with the scientists and authors of the articles and books I quoted. Their research shows that operant conditioning modifies how fish behave. If you don't think they are right, prove them wrong. You still haven't backed down from your belief that fish "ignore the giant hook sticking out the ass-end of every single fly," even after I demonstrated that that belief was based on the logical fallacy of the biased sample.
  5. There are things that you can prove and things you cannot. I need to comment on the above statements that you think are true. You have used this example twice which you think proves that fish ignore the hook. Logically, you really can't say that ALL the fish IGNORE the hook. The only thing you can say is that the fish you caught ignored the hook. This is one of the logical fallacies that is quite common and is the fallacy of the "biased sample." You have made this conclusion on the basis of the fish you have caught which obviously have ignored the hook. the fact is that if you examine your sampling method of using the fish you caught as your sample, it has to detect fish fish that ignored the hook. So there is no possibility of detecting fish who are put off by "seeing" the hook. http://nizkor.com/features/fallacies/biased-sample.html There very well may be fish that ignore flies BECAUSE they have learned to avoid hooks. The way this would occur is by operant conditioning ---> positive punishment. We know that operant conditioning occurs in fish by the research I posted in my earlier post. So operant conditioning of fish to avoid flies with a hook is not out of the question. We know that fish have memories so it is not out of the question. We even know that some fish ignore flies by looking at underwater videos of fish. But what we can't know is WHY they are ignoring the flies that are presented naturally without drag.
  6. Indeed. Remember when the color purple was popular as in the Purple Haze. Again it is operant conditioning at work. One does not need a dog or a higher level animal for operant conditioning to occur. It was once thought that fish did not have the CNS system that would allow operant conditioning, but that view has long been discarded. The overwhelming evidence is that operant conditioning not only occurs under experimental conditions but in the wild. That was the the focus of my reference to my previous post on the development of selectivity in trout. There is abundant scientific evidence for operant conditioning not only in fish but specifically in trout. I refer you to The Mind of the Trout: A Cognitive Ecology for Biologists and Anglers By Thomas C. Grubb. The section below specifically addresses operant conditioning. An initial snippet is below but you can read several pages more that follow. https://books.google.com/books?id=poS_trWPaioC&pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=operant+conditioning+in+fish&source=bl&ots=8l0GzD4Hlh&sig=o7x69GBqLUiFMoGtKqUf6E1URgU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-8k6VfeSNsbVsAXOgYHADA&ved=0CCUQ6AEwATgU#v=onepage&q=operant conditioning in fish&f=false Scientists have also shown that fish do remember. I believe that if these same tests were done on trout they would also demonstrate memory. http://www.howfishbehave.ca/pdf/Long-term%20memory.pdf Memory like a fish - Research - University of Cambridge Fish's memories last for months, say scientists - Telegraph
  7. Much Better but not perfect yet. Try for a thinner body with a smaller bead. It looks like you cut material off the the legs to shorten them. They will look more natural if you did not cut them. There is a method for getting naturally tapered legs the exact length you want. Use this method taken from the late Harry Mason's ting instructions for the Copper John. The complete instructions are here: https://web.archive.org/web/20130222022739/http://www.troutflies.com/tutorials/cjohn/index.shtml Below are his instructions for tying on legs. He uses a partridge feather but you can substitute any soft hackle feather with the right properties for legs. Here is a Partridge feather. Find one with nice even tips. Clip the center stem out about one and a half times the length of the thorax. The cut looks "ratty" but hey, it's going to get covered. Place the feather atop the thorax as shown. The thread is at the base of the bead. Pinch the feather atop the thorax. We want the thread to maintain the pinch position, so, two loose wraps and then a third tight one will hold the feather in place. "Legs" tied in. Fold the waste end of the feather back, place one wrap to hold it back and trim. With the thread still in the gap between the thorax and bead fold the Thinskin over the legs and thorax. The Thinskin tied in. Again, fold the unwanted Thinskin backwards and trim. Below is how the legs should look on the completed fly
  8. The Morrish Hopper is the most realistic foam hopper pattern I have ever fished. Along with the Morrish Mouse, Ken Morrish is an innovative fly tyer who designs flies for Umpqua Feather Merchants. Here is the Morrish hopper I use. http://hopperfishing.wordpress.com/2010/02/22/how-to-tie-the-morrishs-hopper/
  9. It's really two different questions. The first is whether the fish actually SEES what WE SEE. This goes to the question of whether we humans even have the biologic ability to create patterns that imitate what the fish sees. Your post is about selectivity - why a fish chooses to eat or not to eat a certain item.
  10. To keep the thread from retracting into the bobbin tube is very simple. You buy hollow silicone tubing that has an 2 mm ID and 3 mm OD from Ebay. Cut it into 1/2 inch sections they will fit over the end of the bobbin tube to hold the tread in place. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1M-ID-1-10mm-CLEAR-Food-Grade-Silicone-Tube-Hose-Pipe-for-Water-Milk-Beer-Coffee/391713479946?\ Then buy a Rensetti foam tool caddy which has holes for the bobbins to be stored tip down.
  11. I really depends on the length of the fibers you are going to use.
  12. The single overwrap method. Stroke the hackle fibers out and then measure the hackle length you want at the by placing the hackle against the normal tie in point at the head of the fly, with the tips pointed forward. The tips should extend over the fly so they will be the correct length when they are folded back at the normal tie in point. Look at the hook shank to see where the shaft of the feather is. This is the tie in point. As you tie a few flies, you will get better at finding the correct spot. Tie the hackle in at this point and wind forward in touching wraps and tie off. Pull the the hackle fibers forward to the normal tie in point. Keep the fibers distributed around the hook and tie then down with the tips facing over the eye end of the hook. Now you can take the thread back and dub the body. When you get to the tied down hackle, pull them back and tie back over the body of the fly. They should be the about correct length. The single overwrap is demonstrated here: The "double overwrap" method is for the longest fibers. With the longest soft hackle fibers, tie and wrap the long hackles in the normal position leaving room for the head before tying the rest of the fly. After wrapping the soft hackle, estimate how overly long the fibers are. Pull the fibers back over the hook and tie them down at 1/2 the "overlength" point. Fold the fibers back toward the head and tie them down at the original point. The fibers will be facing forward over the hook eye and away from the hook body. Now take the thread back and tie the rest of the fly. The last step is to take the thread to in front of the soft hackle and tie them back so now they fold over the body over the fly. With the "double wrap method", you can use extremely long soft hackles to tie shorter soft hackles. If you strip the hackle from one side of the stem before tying and wrapping, you will get a less bulky fly and the hackle will be neater. The third method is to use the method of the Petitjean Magic tool. You can make a dubbing loop and put in Soft Hackle Fibers fibers using the Marc Petitjean Magic Tool. You actually don't need the tool. You will need a thick foam blocks (from a thick pair of foam sandals), a credit card, and a set of bulldog paper clamps. Cut a straight slit in the foam blocks from end to end. The slit has to reach to both ends of the foam blocks to be able to release the fibers later. Put the Soft Hackle fiber stems over the slit in the foam block and use the old credit card to push the fiber stems into the slit. Use the paper clamp in the place of the transparent Petitjean clamp to hold the end of the soft hackle plumes. Open the slit in the foam block to release the fibers and you are in business. The soft hackle fibers are lined up, cut off the stem(s) and place the fibers into the dubbing loop. With this simple set of homemade and cheap bought tools you can do what the Magic Tool does. See homemade tools here: Flytying with CDC: Dubbing loop with cul de canard fibers Flytying with CDC: Dubbing loop with Cul De Canard fibers See the Petitjean showing how it is done below: A final method is the one used by Charlie Craven on this pattern: https://charliesflyboxinc.com/portfolio-items/fly-box-template-88/
  13. I got my plastic binding combs at my hospital's print shop. They use them for hospital manuals and for booklets for medical conferences that we hold. If you have a large organization in your city, see if they have a corporate print shop. Maybe they will give you a comb or two. Take a Norvise bobbin spool with you so you know the size of comb to get.
  14. I store mine in the Norvise bobbin storage boxes. So I can see the thread and pull out a spool without removing spools to get to the one I want if they were stacked on top of each other using a peg system. Plus I can pick up the storage boxes and put then in my portable tying kit if I need them. I use plastic binding combs to keep the thread on the spools. These are the plastic combs which hold loose leaf binders together as in the photo below. Pasted Graphic.tiff
  15. Yeah, I know. I suppose it has never happened to you. But for me it's just not worth the trouble. Mount a small hook wrong and ping! Out comes the flashlight and magnet to find that small hook. I suppose somebody has to be buying Regals, but it won't ever me, ever again. Life is just too short to put up with that. I'll use my Renzetti instead.
  16. I owned a Regal Vise and got rid of it. It spit small hooks and customers complained that the jaws chipped. I have read that the stainless steel jaws cured the chipping problem but I think it still can "spit" small hooks. Personally I would not recommend a Regal. https://www.google.com/search?q=regal+vise+and+spitting+hooks&source=lmns&bih=1249&biw=1567&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjn-YSQnOfuAhXcA50JHUitC6sQ_AUoAHoECAEQAA
  17. I have a complete collection of Aunt Lydia's Rug yarn. It is a polyester "Sparkle Yarn" that can be used for tying the trailing shuck on sparkle duns in the place of Antron or Zelon. Aunt Lydia's was the yarn first used by Del Brown in tying his Merkin Crab pattern for permit and bonefish. https://www.saltwatersportsman.com/techniques/fly-recipies/crabby-rabbit-combo/ Aunt Lydia;s is selling for $2 for 5 yards at this fly shop. https://www.stoneriveroutfitters.com/fly-tying/wapsi-sparkle-yarn.html JS Stockard has the article below about Aunt Lydias: http://www.jsflyfishing.com/blog/spin-a-yarn/ This is my supply of Aunt Lydias: Here is a close up of Aunt Lydias.
  18. For trout I suggest you tie popular patterns that are known to work. The two most popular nymphs are the pheasant tail and the gold ribbed hare’s ear. The two most popular dry mayfly patterns are the Adams which I prefer to be a parachute and the comparadun dry. However, instead of the comparadun, I suggest you tie the sparkle dun which is the emerger pattern, For the caddis adult, tie the Elk hair caddis. For an underwater “streamer” type pattern, tie the black wooly bugger, olive would be the next color to tie. Terrestrials are insects that live in land and fall in the water. The most popular pattern is the ant. So buy materials to tied the pheasant tail nymph, gold ribbed hare's ear nymph, parachute adams, sparkle duns, elk hair caddis and wooly buggers. You could tie ants if you fish streams that flow through meadows.
  19. Lochsa and Dry Magic are advertised to be CDC Compatible (see info below). I use Dry Magic and Hydrophobic Fumed Silica Powder (Frogs Fanny or Loon Blue Ribbon Floatant). Combo floatants that contain silica gel crystals and Hydrophobic Fumed Silica Powder (Shimazaki Dry Shake or Loon Top Ride) can also be used. Read my post on floatants here: https://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/index.php?threads/fly-floatants-for-noobies-or-what-floats-your-fly.345179/#post642614 You can buy cheap hydrophobic fumed silica as arrow powder. It is used to keep the natural feather fletching on hunting arrows dry. https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/gateway-feathers-waterproofing-archery-feather-powder You can buy bulk Hydrophobic Fumed Silica Powder here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fly-Fishing-Dry-Shake-Fly-Floatant-Hydrophobic-Silica-1-QT-32-fl-oz-946-mL/284089440363
  20. CDC gets slimed after the first fish. You will need some kind of CDC treatment like Tiemco Dry Magic or Frog's Fanny to keep them floating.
  21. Buggy to me is a fly that looks alive when in or on the water. It can be an impressionistic or imitative fly depending on the circumstances.
  22. Why don't you tell us where you are, what type of fish you are targeting, and whether you fishing "still water" (lakes & ponds), tailwaters below a dam, or freestone waters (rivers & streams). Then we can suggest some patterns to start with.
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