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Greg Stine

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  1. I have been off line for a while with some personal problems but Im back now.

     

    I appreciate all the effort you guys put into the name suggestions. I decided to go with Clacker Packer for my new deer hair packer. Since it was one of my original names I decided to do a drawing with everyone who contributed to this thread.............and the winner is flytire. I will be contacting flytire to get his address and my new packer to him.

     

    Thanks again to all who contributed

     

    Greg Stine


  2. I started out as a machinist then tool designer then machine designer and finally retired as as a medical device engineer. After years of retirement (besides being a volunteer firefighter and president of a rural water supply corporation) Im embarking on a new phase of my life that I hope will be more fun than work.


  3. The final price is TBD. Up until now everything has been prototypes which means Ive spent money that I wont get back. Ive sold a few at $30 just to get a feel for the response and match Pat Cohens Fugly Packer price. The response has been overwhelmingly good.

     

    I was at an event where Pat Cohen was the featured tier and he was selling his packer. I didnt want to be a jerk and announce to everyone what I had so I just quietly showed it to the tiers that where tying hair bugs. Everyone who was tying hair bugs at that event bought one from me and they new all about the fugly packer. Full disclosure I sold 6. This event had about 40 tiers. Only 4 were tying hair bugs. The other 2 were sold to people that saw my I interaction with those tiers. I saw him sell 3 although I didnt watch him that close.

     

    Bottom line is the price will be set after the first production run when all cost of production can be calculated. Im hoping to keep it at $30 or hopefully less but it might be higher but not over $40.


  4. I need to come up with a name for the deer hair packer that I will be marketing later this year. Some of you may have seen it already. I posted a preview on this forum a few months back(deer hair packer). I havent been able to come up with a name that I like. If I use the name you come up with I will give you one. So this would be more appropriate for those of you that tie deer hair bugs but this is open to anyone. When a winner is selected I will post the new name and the winners name. In case of duplicates the first one received will be the winner. Im looking for something easy to remember. Dont limit yourself to just one try. Just keep throwing names at me. I have to decide by the end of June or sooner if I get a name that just clicks.

     

    Some previous suggestions are:

     

    Clacker packer(it can make a clacking noise like a castanet)

     

    Perfection packer(sounds a bit arrogant)

     

    Master packer(same as above)

     

    Senseis hand

     

    Gator packer(looks like a gators mouth)

     

    The Stine packer

     

    Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks

    Greg Stine

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    This is the response from Wapsi.

     

    Hi Greg,

     

    Thanks for your email. I hesitate to answer your question because there is a lot of debate as to just how many fly fishermen there are and the % of them that tie flies. I've read multiple studies that state there are as few as 1.5 million active fly fishermen to as many as 6.5 million. If I were to guess I'd say the actual number of fly tyers that fish 3 or more times a year is probably somewhere in between those numbers. If I were to guess I'd probably say somewhere in the neighborhood of 3.5 million active fly fishers in the USA. That is only a guess. Organizations such as AAFTA and Southwick Associates would be better resources in regards to determining these numbers -- this is something they keep track of for the fishing industry.

     

    As far as the % of fly fishermen that tie flies -- that is even more difficult to pin down. I've read demographic numbers ranging from 18-35% depending upon the study.

     

    I'm sorry I can't be of more help. Perhaps some "digging" online will yield some demographic studies on fly fishing and fly tying that would better answer your questions.

     

    All the Best,

     

    Pat Neuner

     

    Pat Neuner

    Product Development / International Sales Manager

    Wapsi Fly, Inc.

    27 CR 458

    Mountain Home, AR 72653

    870-425-9500

    [email protected]


  6. I havent made forty post yet so I couldnt sell any here for now. Ive only made about thirty so far. Trying to get feedback to see if I need anymore changes before a larger production. I have only showed it once at a small fly tying event. 19 tiers showed up but only two tied hair bugs. They both bought one without ever even testing it. They both owned a Fugly.


  7. The polymer Ive chosen will not bond with any adhesive. Crazy glue, epoxy or UV adhesive will pop right off with a blunt tool. Dont use a razor or it will cut into the tool. Its low coefficient of friction and high dimensional stability means it should last for 10s of thousands if not 100s of thousands of cycles. One will last a lifetime.

     

    The Fugly and the brassy are made with flexible springy metals. That means even when your packing with it it has a springy feel in your hand. The tiny spring in my tool is only to hold the tool in the open position before use. There is no spring in line with the packing force. With my tool you can hold one in each hand to the floor (like a packing motion) and do pushups all day long with no deflection and it will not break.

     

    With this tool I see no reason to have more than one size. This packer has one straight jaw and the other has a triangular notch. This means for all but the smallest shank it has a three point contact with the shank.

     

    I think $10,000 for a mold might be low in todays market. If it was molded I could probably make money at $10 or so. But with a low volume product like this I probably wouldnt live long enough to break even.

     

    Thanks for all the feedback and keep it coming.

     

    Im trying to post more photos but having some trouble.

     

    Greg

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  8. True! The depth of the neck is around.065”. The Fugly packer is around .025”. You can still slide over the hook eye with a minimal gap. The thing to consider is you are not really trying to pack the hair(this may sound crazy) your trying to pack the thread that is holding the hair.


  9. Good observations. Let me explain proper use of this packer. The thumb and finger are for closing the packer over the hook shank and capturing the shank in the center slot. The force to pack the hair comes from the arm through the heel of the hand. The heel of the hand delivers more force with less effort than the fingers giving superior control. When used in this way its nearly impossible to slide off the shank. Since there is no spring along the axis, like the brassy and fugly, all movement felt in the hand is exactly the movement of the hair packed. This is exceptional tactile feedback. Alignment with the hook shank is automatic, the human eye can perceive symmetry quite well. The hook shank axis will align with the tool axis without thinking about it.

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